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    Cheap DIY hardtop hoist

    Hello everyone

    I have recently joined the band of Stag owners and thought I might share a quick and dirty way of getting your hardtop off and hoisted up to the garage roof. I was wondering how to get my hardtop off easily and out of the way without any help from my friends. I was in a hurry and had a look at the parts which were already in my garage. I found some 3.5 x 1.5 wooden joists and went to Wickes to buy some of their 70 kg rated blue polypropylene rope and a ratchet strap which is actually meant for pulling together and fitting laminate flooring. I bought a couple of 10mm double pulleys off eBay item 400628426848. The whole lot cost £20. I attach some photos of the finished result, the old cushion at the front acts to provide sufficient moment to balance the counter moment from the asymmetric suspension of the hard top from the webbing. The ratchet strap has been screwed onto one end of a horizontal joist and the webbing is fed underneath the hardtop over the T-bar and then out through the other window before being hooked over the joist as it sticks out of the opposite side. The webbing is then tightened with the ratchet although it loosens again slightly once the top has been lifted but the arrangement is very stable. You'll need a couple of pieces of line etc to stop the top from rotating once it has been lifted off. The ratchet strap webbing is only loaded to 20 kg with this arrangement and the rope is only loaded to about 30kg, the strain on the joist is about 30% of tolerance for a critical application. This is OK but perhaps 2x4 joists would be better.

    I used double Fishermans knots for the rope and tape knots for the webbing. As you can see I have adjusted the rope so that the pull is slightly behind the centre of gravity of the hardtop, this stops the hardtop from falling backwards by pitching it forward slightly. It also makes it quite easy to pull the roof up and down using two hands on the pulley and then one hand to hold the rope and the other to carefully manoeuvre the top from side to side. A double pully blocks seems to offer sufficient mechanical advantage for me to raise and lower the top with two hands and then hold it with one whilst using the other hand to position it.

    Once the top is fully hauled up I used more rope to further secure it to the rafters of the garage. Fortunately I have some substantial RSJs in the garage roof.

    I am not representing myself as an expert, this is all at your own risk and I'm providing the information purely for interest and accept no liability should you choose to try it yourself etc etc. I'm sure this has all been done before and more competently by others but to me this seemed quite easy and quick and might get you out of a hole if you needed to make a hoist in a hurry.

    By the way if anyone has any tips about the best/not too expensive place to get a new soft top and frame fitted in the north of England and also where to buy some cheap Chrome 14 inch wire wheels I'd be very grateful
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    #2
    Good effort on the hardtop, nice to see owners coming up with different methods, if you do a search on here I think I remember seeing a couple of other different solutions as well.
    Also search for the soft top fitting on the site although I think that your location may be outside the established soft top fitting locality.

    The Chrome wires will be like a baby in a high chair, you will always be having to care for them ! Detracts from actually driving the car in my experience, (30 years hard labour with mine admittedly on my TR), and although I still have them they are now stored in the pantry. However as with everything on our cars it's your money and choice, nice first post.

    Micky

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      #3
      Thanks for the advice Micky, sounds like wire wheels might be a bit too much trouble after all, I presume also that after trimming the studs having fitted a bolt on splined wire wheel adapter that the studs would then not be long enough to safely reattach the old bolt on alloys if you removed the adapter. It looks like there is potential trouble getting the wheels balanced and them coming loose if knockoffs aren't tightened regularly. There's just something about them which I like, maybe a lot of the cleaning pain could be relieved with one of these spray on wire wheel cleaning foams from the USA and a quick hose down. Anyway I am really enjoying driving the car and that's the most important thing like you say.

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        #4
        Hi LAL (do we have a real name for you ?)

        Welcome to Stag ownership and to the Forum

        It's good to see your hands-on approach to ownership and thanks for sharing your ideas on here - this is just the sort of thing that has made this forum so good. Although some people never use the hardtop, I believe it is a really important and fundamental part of the car. Driving a Stag with or without the hardtop makes it almost like two very different cars IMHO - so anything that makes it easier to fit or remove the hardtop is a great idea - well done

        As for your hood, I don't know anyone in your area, however the hood assembly is only held by three bolts each side - if you felt confident to remove/replace it yourself then there are a number of suppliers who could send you a replacement. However, getting it adjusted just right can be tricky sometimes.

        Cheers

        Julian

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          #5
          For north l would think Rimmer Bros.

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            #6
            Hi Lal,

            Thanks for the ideas, I've been trying to get around to that myself, hardtops are a PITA to store.

            Nice colour car, you have good taste and it's interesting to see your chosen nametag matches that. For me it's Aldridge Trimming for the soft top, although they are in Wolverhampton so maybe not close enough for you.

            Regards

            Steve
            TV8, LPG, EEWP, HiD's, ZF 4, 15" Minilites, SS Bumpers & Exhaust, BMW Servo & Master, Rilsan.

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              #7
              Thanks for the support everyone- my name is Leon by the way, still finding my way around using the forum. Great to have all this advice available, doubtless will be back with more questions soon, maybe I will take the plunge on a mail order frame and soft top, I don't have time for a long drive south for fitting unfortunately.

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                #8
                Wire wheels are a life choice! I've got 15" knock off chrome wires on my car, I imported them from the TR shop in London, back when the Aussie Dollar was worth something! On their arrival I used Meguiars Chrome wheel cleaner on them followed by an application of "Poor Boys" wheel polish, I've had them on the car for four years now and a quick spray with the chrome wheel cleaner and a hose down every month, when the wheels are cold, is all they need to keep them looking good. I reapply the Poor Boys polish annually. Good luck in your search, wire wheels really suit the Stag.
                Cheers,
                Raoul

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by LAL View Post
                  Thanks for the support everyone- my name is Leon by the way, still finding my way around using the forum. Great to have all this advice available, doubtless will be back with more questions soon, maybe I will take the plunge on a mail order frame and soft top, I don't have time for a long drive south for fitting unfortunately.
                  Leon,

                  I misunderstood. I guess LAL must be your initials or something? It's just that LAL is the Hindi word for RED, like your car!

                  Good luck with the hood, it can be a bit of a learning curve but you'll get there.

                  Regards

                  Steve
                  TV8, LPG, EEWP, HiD's, ZF 4, 15" Minilites, SS Bumpers & Exhaust, BMW Servo & Master, Rilsan.

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                    #10
                    I did this-see photos,I had put a hand winch(around £15) on my Christmas list,but I got £35 birthday money,yes that can still happen at 50 !so I turned to the 'bay' and bid on an electric hoist(new and unused)(usually around £70)and won it for £33,well happy,as I have a back issue and even with help,found it awkward to lift on and off,all I do now is press a button and do the straps.
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                      #11
                      That's absolutlely great Ken! I'll be getting one of those and copying you.

                      Reminds me of the 60's Thunderbirds (not the recent rubbish) and a very good solution to three problems - Removing it, storing it and putting it back on. My B'day's a bit far off though....

                      Regards

                      Steve
                      TV8, LPG, EEWP, HiD's, ZF 4, 15" Minilites, SS Bumpers & Exhaust, BMW Servo & Master, Rilsan.

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                        #12
                        Of course there is another option...

                        Keep the hardtop on.



                        Okay, okay.

                        I've got my coat and am just heading towards the door...
                        Bereft of a Triumph of any description.

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                          #13
                          That looks easier than my contraption Ken I didn't think of opening the window, I am a bit limited for height though so I went for a vertical pull arrangement to get the hardtop as close to the roof joist as possible . I was looking at electric hoists but they seemed expensive, I have been told about some cheap ones for £50 locally now though so I think I may do the same as you have. Thanks, Leon

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                            #14
                            Hi Leon,
                            You could mount the hoist higher into the eaves ,allowing the hardtop to come right up to the joists/ceiling level.
                            Ken.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by v8ken View Post
                              I did this-see photos,I had put a hand winch(around £15) on my Christmas list,but I got £35 birthday money,yes that can still happen at 50 !so I turned to the 'bay' and bid on an electric hoist(new and unused)(usually around £70)and won it for £33,well happy,as I have a back issue and even with help,found it awkward to lift on and off,all I do now is press a button and do the straps.
                              Ken.[ATTACH=CONFIG]28384[/ATTACH]
                              Thanks for the inspiration to get my electric hoist setup sorted, been in its box in the garage for a couple of years now ! Great to see the balance points, will pick up some suitable straps this week

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