Current Replacement Clutch Components???

[72BLUE]

I am posting this on behalf of another Stag owner who is about to buy a complete new clutch kit.

Are there any folks on here with experience of fitting new clutch parts, within say the last year or two?

He has been told that the AP plates are made in China and are not very good? AP and Borg&Beck are apparently the same???

Leycock – no longer available
LUK – tractor-focussed – no obvious Stag solution
Valeo – no clutches, only car lighting


Thanks in advance for any input!



Cheers
Keith

[Guest]

I fitted a Borg and beck possibly 4 years ago, no issues!

[Mark Serj]

I recently fitted an AP with no subsequent problems, but I haven't done that many miles as yet

[Guest]

You are doubtless aware it's the same basic clutch on a Jaguar E type?Jaguar XJS, Range Rover, Rover V8,-
basically, same size, same basic cover just the plate spline size changes.
Nearly all clutches over 3L are pretty much the same, while most 2L-2.5L clutches are the same slightly smaller family again with minor spline differences.
The Stag has the same coarse spline as the TR6 but with the slightly larger plate (ie. same as Jaguar pre 1977).
Lots of this stuff is perfectly standardised stuff... 'nuff said?

I don't like the modern DST type of clutch cover, I have lots of bad experiences & I think they are rubbish.
The plates are noisy and don't grip well.
ONE REALLY nice heat up just once and they are DEAD. FRIED.
(Try a hill start with a 2.8T loaded trailor for size!)

I recently threw one out of my own Jag and fitted the older type. (I got a NOS one from an 80s XJ6 for about 40 quid!).
It was a million miles better.
I always opt for the older type DS style of cover.

[garyf]

You are doubtless aware it's the same basic clutch on a Jaguar E type?Jaguar XJS, Range Rover, Rover V8,-
basically, same size, same basic cover just the plate spline size changes.
Nearly all clutches over 3L are pretty much the same, while most 2L-2.5L clutches are the same slightly smaller family again with minor spline differences.
The Stag has the same coarse spline as the TR6 but with the slightly larger plate (ie. same as Jaguar pre 1977).
Lots of this stuff is perfectly standardised stuff... 'nuff said?

I don't like the modern DST type of clutch cover, I have lots of bad experiences & I think they are rubbish.
The plates are noisy and don't grip well.
ONE REALLY nice heat up just once and they are DEAD. FRIED.
(Try a hill start with a 2.8T loaded trailor for size!)

I recently threw one out of my own Jag and fitted the older type. (I got a NOS one from an 80s XJ6 for about 40 quid!).
It was a million miles better.
I always opt for the older type DS style of cover.

so would this clutch kit fit a stag?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJS-3-6-Clutch-Kit/330803566469?hash=item4d056dd785:m:m09aK2NkZ3WTDJXWJlyj7jg

[mike@thenook]

I have an E Type clutch mated to a Tilton release bearing - the difference in performance is huge, no long heavy throw to the clutch pedal and perfectly smooth but it wasn’t cheap..
Have a word with Favershams, they may still be able to supply the kit but only fitted as there’s a lot of alteration required to the standard set-up.

[Stagdad]

I can recommend the Tilton release bearing as mentioned by Mike However it is a modification not a straight replacement.

I have mated mine to a straight fingered pressure plate from an SD1
a few pics here although not one of the final fore and aft position of the bearing.

http://socforum.com/forum/album.php?albumid=265&attachmentid=24719

Racetorations used to do a kit for the stag.

[Guest]

so would this clutch kit fit a stag?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ...3WTDJXWJlyj7jg

Yes but it's another one of those nasty ones from LUK,(I think) and the pressure plate is not the same of course.
I wouldn't bring it even near a Jaguar engine, it's guaranteed to be horrible to use, and fail in no time.

[DJT]

LD Parts list the AP clutch, but the cover is currently out of stock. http://www.ldparts.co.uk/shop/shop.p...6860d6260ea912
It might be worth phoning Peter and asking his advice. He is known to be honest and only stocks quality items. He will tell you if/when stock will be available.
Make sure the owner checks, and replaces, the cross shaft locking pin whilst it is apart.

[Guest]

Good call on the cross shaft pin Dave. I replaced mine (which had snapped) with an uprated one.

[mopoole]

Trevor at Favershams fitted a Tilton Conversion to my Stag last Christmas. Absolutely brilliant, all judder gone and a much smoother change; would recommend it

[TR5convalescent]

After two failures in my TR6, I always drilled the cross shaft and inserted a c pin as well as the tapered pin. But I also wired the Taper pin as well.

This did not prevent the duff AP release bearing from wearing out within 3 months however....

When putting the release bearing on the carrier, put the carrier in the freezer overnight and the release bearing in the oven at 40degrees for about 5 minutes. Using an oven glove(!) drop the bearing squarely on the carrier. Do not force in a vice or apply pressure or hit with hammers or you will be taking the gearbox out again to replace it very soon.

If the release bearing does not turn without noise, reject it.

Finally check the provenance of the bearing. There was a huge batch of duff ones ( almost no grease) in the early 90s and some might still be around.

[TR5convalescent]

Roger Williams recommends the TIlton clutch for TRs. The only issue is the coaxial slave cylinder is in the bell housing, which means that if it fails it's a gearbox out job.

[Guest]

Do not force in a vice or apply pressure or hit with hammers or you will be taking the gearbox out again to replace it very soon.
If the release bearing does not turn without noise, reject it.

Finally check the provenance of the bearing.
There was a huge batch of duff ones ( almost no grease) in the early 90s and some might still be around.

So guess why I charge 60 EURO for a brand new NOS release bearing and 250 EURO for the complete NOS TR6 clutch with the original type DS cover and original (asbestos) plate..

The clutch cover shown on the LD site is precisely the kind I refuse to fit.
That's the later "DST" type, and they come with the clutch plate with little "paddle like pads" on.

Frankly I don't really know a worse combination.
Strangely enough practically every friction compound I know esp brakes has got worse and less progressive in the last 10 years.
One good hard use, or one really hard application to fade and it's dead, never works as it should, poor progression, grabby brakes or grabby noisy clutch.
I hate it, and I don't know why we are all forced to put up with it.

[Stagdad]

Roger Williams recommends the TIlton clutch for TRs. The only issue is the coaxial slave cylinder is in the bell housing, which means that if it fails it's a gearbox out job.

True but then so are most modern slaves. I did have one issue with mine but it turned out to be a duff flywheel not the clutch parts. It's lovely now.