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    Water in the vee!

    Well this is my first post for a while, all things Stag have been a little quiet for me over the last 18 months.

    After the winter hibernation the Stag has a new MOT, no advisories. Today i changed the oil, filters and flushed the rad and cooling system with a plan to use and spend some time on the car this summer. I then went out for a spirited drive. On my return i checked all the fluids and noticed that it was very wet in the vee of the engine. I dried it out, another drive.... more water in the vee.

    I know this is normally a give-away sign of the head gasket failure, but on to my real frustration. Four years ago when i bought the Stag i took it to a well know Stag specialist in West London, they told me that the head gasket needed replacing / skimming etc. and relieved me of over a grand for this job and a few other bits.


    After collecting the car from the garage i was stranded with an overheated engine a day or so after the work, the RAC told me there was very little water in the car. It was returned to the garage, they checked it over and assured me no damage had been done.

    Four years, and about 5000 miles later... Surely the heads can’t have warped or the head gasket gone after this time / low mileage? My fear is that the damage was done when the car over heated four years ago, yet i could not prove this at the time, i am sure i cant now either. The engine is still the origional and only showing 61k, 29 MOT forms confirm this is genuine.

    I plan to phone the garage on Tuesday, but do i really have any comeback? I know legally i dont't, but surely 5000 miles is a sign of poor workmanship or as i fear, the one over heating incident caused damage?

    Thoughts? I had £2k saved up to buy some treats for the Stag this year, if the gaskets need doing again i am certain that i'll cut my losses and look out for something else.

    Alastair

    #2
    Originally posted by claral View Post
    Well this is my first post for a while, all things Stag have been a little quiet for me over the last 18 months.

    After the winter hibernation the Stag has a new MOT, no advisories. Today i changed the oil, filters and flushed the rad and cooling system with a plan to use and spend some time on the car this summer. I then went out for a spirited drive. On my return i checked all the fluids and noticed that it was very wet in the vee of the engine. I dried it out, another drive.... more water in the vee.

    I know this is normally a give-away sign of the head gasket failure, but on to my real frustration. Four years ago when i bought the Stag i took it to a well know Stag specialist in West London, they told me that the head gasket needed replacing / skimming etc. and relieved me of over a grand for this job and a few other bits.


    After collecting the car from the garage i was stranded with an overheated engine a day or so after the work, the RAC told me there was very little water in the car. It was returned to the garage, they checked it over and assured me no damage had been done.

    Four years, and about 5000 miles later... Surely the heads can’t have warped or the head gasket gone after this time / low mileage? My fear is that the damage was done when the car over heated four years ago, yet i could not prove this at the time, i am sure i cant now either. The engine is still the origional and only showing 61k, 29 MOT forms confirm this is genuine.

    I plan to phone the garage on Tuesday, but do i really have any comeback? I know legally i dont't, but surely 5000 miles is a sign of poor workmanship or as i fear, the one over heating incident caused damage?

    Thoughts? I had £2k saved up to buy some treats for the Stag this year, if the gaskets need doing again i am certain that i'll cut my losses and look out for something else.

    Alastair
    Don't panic yet Alastair, in all likelihood it will be something like a core plug, manifold gasket, water pump or just even a hose or hose clip.

    Ian.
    Wise men ignore the advice of fools, but fools ignore the advice of wise men sigpic

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      #3
      Alastair

      I'm sure someone with more experience will come along soon, but I am sure that I've read on here that lack of use can cause the carbon seal on the water pump to dry out. When you then use the car and coolant pressure builds it leaks - into the V.

      Keep your eye on the water level, use it for a few days and see if the water loss stops - it might do. If not then you need a tester to assess cylinder head leakage?

      Dont despair just yet.

      Ian F

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        #4
        Thanks, i was just reading a few posts and thinking i might be over reacting! I'll do 100+ miles tomorrow going to Eastbourne so that will give it a good run. Even though the car hasn't been used much over the last 18 months (400 miles) i have started the engine or driven at least 5 -10 miles each month to keep it ticking over.

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          #5
          could just be inlet manifold gaskets?

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            #6
            It was inlet manifold gaskets when I had a lot of water in the V. Replacing them cured it.

            Brian
            Drive a Stag every day... it's wonderful!

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              #7
              Hello, well i think i may have a similar thing,

              i have a sort of dampness in the same area, is never like went to touch it just looks damp....
              no waterloss ( i think )
              a picture ...


              Ben

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                #8
                Hi Claral

                My head gaskets failed last year coolant was leaking from the under side of the head (exhaust manifold side), as already quoted go through the motions before ruling out any major problems.

                Cheers
                Adrian

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                  #9
                  Slight leakage into the vee, especially after non-use for a while is very common; usually nothing to worry about if you keep an eye on coolant levels. If it persists some K Seal or Barrs Leaks should fix it.

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                    #10
                    Hi folks,

                    This is my first post after watching for some time. The carbon seal in the water pump doesn't dry out, when the car has been laid up a film of rust can form on the impeller and will leak at first until the rust has been worn off. In the worst case the impeller becomes pitted and will not seal. As an ex marine engineer my first job when doing the water pump was to fit the ceramic seal in the impeller, making it similar to the seals fitted to most water pumps in the marine industry.

                    Dave

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by whitev8stag View Post
                      Hello, well i think i may have a similar thing,

                      i have a sort of dampness in the same area, is never like went to touch it just looks damp....
                      no waterloss ( i think )
                      a picture ...


                      Ben
                      If that is as wet as it gets you have got no worries. Mine has always had a dribble of water in the Vee and I consider it to be perfectly fine. I did 500 mile round trip in mine over the Easter weekend.

                      Dave
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