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    Engine rebuild...now lots of water in the oil, ideas/advice please

    Hi,
    Have spent 4months and lot's of £ rebuilding my TV8 engine ready to use as our wedding car for 28th May. Engine was running OK (ish) before starting the rebuild but leaking oil, grubby and an unknown quantity having been untouched (apart from oil changes) for 4 years since I bought the car. With rest of the car now restored it was time to tackle the engine and clean up the bay. Block was then bored and honed +40, crank reground, new pistons etc and cylinder heads skimmed new hardened valve seats etc etc. This work all done by Newark Engines and no problems found at all when everything measured and checked.

    Engine was then re-assembled on a jig in the garage (taking great care) and then fired up to test, apart from struggling with a few timing niggles etc no major problems noted at this stage. Then it was left for a week before planning to put the engine back in the car. Before starting we made some final checks; there were no leaks at all on the floor but when the oil level was checked it was way up the dipstick...sump nut came off to have a look and at least 1litre of water came out with the oil. You can imagine how we felt!!

    So we spent all day Saturday trying to see where the water was getting in, eventually by looking down the shaft where the distributor drive is we can see water running out somewhere half way down the block inside, we think below the oil gallery where the jack shaft runs, from there the water obviously runs straight down into the sump. It's at the back of the engine on the left hand side but checked the head gasket and replaced it to no avail. It's very difficult to see or to understand where the water is coming from, the water pump was rebuilt and the water galleries on the rear of the heads checked too. I'm guessing the block was chemically cleaned and wondering if that process may have dissolved some kind of plug internally? The leak only seems to be obvious when the water system is under pressure but it's not just weeping out...it's trickling and very obvious. Have also ordered an endoscope off ebay to see if we can see better down the shaft.

    I'm guessing others may have had a similar issue in the past...any ideas where the problem might lie would be very appreciated!

    Baldeagle.

    #2
    Hello baldeagle,
    I would check the water pump seal, if you remove the pump there is a seal below the water gallery and above the jackshaft, normally the water would run out along the block between the vee,s but if that seal isn't there it could leak into the jackshaft gallery. Can't think of anything else at the moment but at least this is easy to check.
    Marcus.

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      #3
      Sounds like water pump 'o'rings to me. part numbers 148170 & 148169
      The ones on the outside of the brass cage.
      These are quite unusual to leak unless incorrectly fitted / damaged on assembly.

      Use pu sealer on the inlet manifold gaskets for a quicker seal on reassembly .... sounds like you're getting short on time?
      Last edited by jbuckl; 16 May 2011, 13:46.

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        #4
        One other thing, I remember someone posting on her saying that the water transfer housings at the back of the heads also blank of an oil way,posiblility if gasket is breached?

        Cheers Steve

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          #5
          My first guess would be your water pump seal or O rings on the cage but as Steve above said there is a small plug that blocks the oil way at the back of the head then the water transfer housing fits over it if the plug was not sealed you could be getting water in from that. The plug blocks of the end of the oil gallery which supplies the cam shaft bearings at work now so I do not have the part # look up on RB site under the head assembly.

          good luck Stuart

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            #6
            Thanks everyone, at least no-one has yet suggested the block is bu**ered, that's a possibilty I'm trying not to think about! Have replaced the gaskets in the water transfer housings but no sign of an issue there. We have not touched the water pump as it was rebuilt and we couldn't see how water could possibly get past the multiple o rings and other stuff, sounds like that might be possible then so something to try, all ideas welcome though....however daft!
            Using it as our wedding car now looks remote but at least this calamity does demonstrate what great friends we have in the SOC, had two offers of a loan car for the day so wont be "Stagless" anyway!
            Baldeagle.

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              #7
              I would check that plug elvimto suggested if you haven't already, it may have been removed when the block was chemically cleaned to allow the detergents into the oil gallery and then not replaced.

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                #8
                Originally posted by elvimto View Post
                My first guess would be your water pump seal or O rings on the cage but as Steve above said there is a small plug that blocks the oil way at the back of the head then the water transfer housing fits over it if the plug was not sealed you could be getting water in from that. The plug blocks of the end of the oil gallery which supplies the cam shaft bearings at work now so I do not have the part # look up on RB site under the head assembly.

                good luck Stuart
                Thanks Stuart, looking on the RB site, there is an exploded diagram showing a small object with a part no. ukc3163, except its not listed below the diagram as something I could order. Could this be the plug you're referring to? Sounds a very plausible explanation and not something I noticed when doing the rebuild, will look there first before pulling the waterpump out.
                Baldeagle.

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                  #9
                  The part you quoted is available from Rimmers from the guides and valves diagram its at the bottom of the list almost cost about $1 It is an aluminum plug about 3/8 or there abouts typr in the part # in search window it should bring up three different applications go to the Triumph Stag Valves - Guides & Valve Springs or
                  Triumph TR7 Cylinder Head & Fittings
                  Its listed on both of these if this is your problem it will be a pain to do in place but if you have had the head of then it might be easier to remove it again and check I used a teflon paste to seal mine good luck let us know what you find.
                  cheers Stuart

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                    #10
                    I would have to agree that the water pump is the major suspect. I've not had problems with my Stag but many moons ago (when Dolomites were just second hand cars) I rebuilt the engine on an 1850 Dolomite. Everything was perfect and triple checked. But exactly like your fault coolant flooded into the sump. To cut a long story short, a new water pump and seal were fitted (they were available from BL dealers then...showing my age now) fault fixed.

                    Chris

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                      #11
                      Thanks Guys,
                      Will venture out into the garage over the weekend and see what's next...will let you know the outcome.
                      Baldeagle

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