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    The Apprentice and our "education" system.

    Prompted by the thread elsewhere about Cambridge Uni's research, I thought I would ask if anyone watched "The Apprentice" last night? Obviously although far from high-brow, I do find it entertaining.

    Last night was quite amazing as an indicator of the level of general knowledge nippers have today from our education system - and the "candidates" are supposed to be the bright sparks to drive business in this country onward so they are not those in service industries (like the local bakers and newsagents) who just about learn how to grunt at customers but find the concept of saying "please" or "thank you" something which cannot be mastered.

    Two teams were set the challenge of coming up with a fast-food concept, branding and business plan. One team hit on the idea of going Mexican and called the business Caracas. This was first suggested as a name typically Mexican after those little noisy things which Mexicans shake. A less stoooopid member of the team asked if that wasn't actually the maracas? After discussion they then agreed that that was right, but that Caracas sounded really catchy and was sooooo Mexico. It eluded them that Caracas is actually the capital of Venuzeula and that maracas are Spanish.

    The other team decided to launch a business called MyPy selling pies which were totally British. For one of the pie names they came up with the "Columbus" who, they agreed, was British, discovered America and brought back the potato. When I was at school in the 60's and 70's I was taught that Columbus was Italian and that, whilst he had brought the existence of America to European attention, it was Walter Raleigh who introduced the potato to England.

    Highlights from previous episodes include the banal questions of an otherwise bright but excitable 21 year old Chinese girl who, when on a task in Paris, asked the immortal question "so the French...do they like their children?" followed by "The French...do they drive cars?"

    #2
    How about, "this is the river Thames, the second longest river in London" priceless!

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      #3
      What you say is so true. It seems to me a lot of today's school leavers are illiterate, and can't add two numbers up in their head without use of a calculator.
      Neither would many of them know what goes on under a car's bonnet, probably thinking that a "spanner" is something used by muggers to hit someone over the head with.

      I was lucky enough to go to a state Grammer school just before they were abolished in favour of "Comprehensives", and although I passed all my "O" levels except Latin, I wish now I paid more attention to it for various reasons, the verb tenses are so similar to Spanish (which I am struggling to learn), and such a lot of famous Latin sayings are so very apt and true.

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        #4
        Agree wholeheartedly. Education standards have dropped.
        ANT

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          #5
          as member of the HR team at work we now have to give out Numeracy and literacy test's to job applicants, we have found the standard very low, even to the point where i was asked to take out the only question which asks them to work out the cube of a box,it was deemed too hard, and then the all important how many sides does a cube have!!!! they even had a picture of one as an example!! and still got it wrong!! not all but most, i know they only work in a warehouse, but they still have to be able to count boxes and work out how much to put on trailer, hense the questions

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            #6
            Originally posted by AlanD View Post
            as member of the HR team at work we now have to give out Numeracy and literacy test's to job applicants, we have found the standard very low, even to the point where i was asked to take out the only question which asks them to work out the cube of a box,it was deemed too hard, and then the all important how many sides does a cube have!!!! they even had a picture of one as an example!! and still got it wrong!! not all but most, i know they only work in a warehouse, but they still have to be able to count boxes and work out how much to put on trailer, hense the questions
            Hi, i am an injection moulding technician, and am currently training an apprentice. Kids of today do not have any mechanical skills, cannot use hand tools, electric drills, spanners and sockets sets, most of them cannot repair a puncture on a push bike, build a push go kart. We have people in their mid twenties that also cannot repair a puncture which is very worrying as these people are the future!!!!!!!?????,. All they know are phone and computer games.

            The HR dept we have is more interested in tests than finding young people who are interested in mechanical things and can wield a spanner, help their dad doing DIY, these will be the people that can become the power house of the UK, our country needs to make things to sell.


            Sorry about the grammer and spelling , Iam dyslexic
            "The UK,s 2nd Most Easterly Stag" Quad Exhaust- ZF 4 Speed BOX

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              #7
              Originally posted by terry View Post
              ....... a state Grammer school.......
              Class!
              The answer isn't 42, it's 1/137

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                #8
                Originally posted by terry View Post
                although I passed all my "O" levels except Latin,.
                Nil desperandum, Terry, no-one use Latin these days.
                ZF 4 spd box, Datsun shafts, SS exhaust, 38DGMS weber 158.9bhp, BMW MC Tomcat seatssigpic

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                  #9
                  Oh dear, as a senior secondary teacher I feel I do need to make some additional comments;-

                  I have some sympathy for the idea that standards have dropped but I think a more accurate description is that they have changed.

                  When I started 30 plus years ago exam questions were certainly more difficult but today they are much more unpredictable and cover considerably more topics.

                  Years ago pupils did 8 'O' levels or GCSEs, now pupils take 12 or 16, most of which involve a significant amount of extended activity (the dreaded coursework!)

                  Directly as a result of successive curriculum reviews where people from industry have influenced government policy many pupils now take 'vocational' BTECs worth multiple GCSE grades.

                  Ps..

                  Alan.. hense should be hence
                  MandM (really sorry about this one)… but 30 years ago dyslexic children were just though to be ‘thick’ (not my opinion but prevalent at the time)
                  And
                  Terry …. I’m pretty sure you went to a Grammar School (not Grammer)

                  pps, that's it, neck well stuck out and waiting for the axe

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                    #10
                    I don't have a problem with peoples education. The person putting his name to the show probably didn't care much for qualifications back in the day or now with the candidates. Some of the things they have done in this series have been remarkable in my opinion. Personality flaws and arrogance are what i dislike in some of them, especially earlier in the series

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by grumpy2 View Post
                      <Snip>
                      I have some sympathy for the idea that standards have dropped but I think a more accurate description is that they have changed.

                      <snip>
                      Couldn't agree more; nicely phrased Sir
                      1976 Triumph V8 Manual/OD in BRG

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by grumpy2 View Post
                        Oh dear, as a senior secondary teacher I feel I do need to make some additional comments;-

                        I have some sympathy for the idea that standards have dropped but I think a more accurate description is that they have changed.

                        When I started 30 plus years ago exam questions were certainly more difficult but today they are much more unpredictable and cover considerably more topics.

                        Years ago pupils did 8 'O' levels or GCSEs, now pupils take 12 or 16, most of which involve a significant amount of extended activity (the dreaded coursework!)

                        Directly as a result of successive curriculum reviews where people from industry have influenced government policy many pupils now take 'vocational' BTECs worth multiple GCSE grades.

                        Ps..

                        Alan.. hense should be hence
                        MandM (really sorry about this one)… but 30 years ago dyslexic children were just though to be ‘thick’ (not my opinion but prevalent at the time)
                        And
                        Terry …. I’m pretty sure you went to a Grammar School (not Grammer)

                        pps, that's it, neck well stuck out and waiting for the axe
                        I'ts a shame there is'nt an exam for constructivity (if there is such a word) and common sence that seem's to be lacking today, But who needs that when you have computer to do your thinking for you.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by grumpy2 View Post
                          but 30 years ago dyslexic children were just though to be ‘thick’ (not my opinion but prevalent at the time)
                          And Terry …. I’m pretty sure you went to a Grammar School (not Grammer)
                          pps, that's it, neck well stuck out and waiting for the axe
                          For a start I am slightly dyslexic (I always have to review my typing as it is never what I thought I had typed), and you are right about the spelling of "Grammar School". In my defence dyslexia and the fact that the letter "A" on my keyboard is quite close to the letter "E" (150 degrees to the bottom left in fact) meant I made a typing error (that's my excuse anyway).
                          I still think we were better educated in the old days than our children are now. When I was at school (Chorley Grammar School) I could fix the deraillier (is that how you spell it?) gears on my bike that I rode to school each day, and quite enjoyed Physics and Chemistry and never blew anyone up!.
                          English Litertature was not one of my favourite subjects but I got a Pass mark in questions on H.G.Wells "The History of Mr Polly" and Shakespeares "The Merchant of Venice".
                          Although I ended up working in I.T., my first car was a Morris Minivan and I was able to remove the engine and strip it down and fit new Piston Rings without having to seek help from anyone else.
                          My education also helped me write good job application letters as I was always granted an Interview and usually offered any job that I went for.
                          My wife and I run a Weekly Quiz here in Tenerife and some of the answers we get from today's younger generation make you wonder whether they learnt anything at all in school.
                          Having said that our two children haven't done too badly as one is a fully qualified Accountant, and the other an Investment Manager for a leading Financial Institution.
                          If I have made any more spelling mistakes in this post - just put it down to my Dyslexia.

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                            #14
                            Hi pascean
                            I think the answer to this is simple. This is why the government want us to work longer, not to pay for our pensions, but to try and educate the 'bright young things' comming out of Uni these days!
                            "Life is like a sewer. What you get out of it depend upon what you put into it"

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                              #15
                              hi Grumpy,

                              i did'nt do too bad then, no glasses and few JD and cokes, only one spelling error! you were lucky thats all there was LOL

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