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    Auto Vs Manual as a first timer...thoughts???

    Hello. Im a potential new owner and member, im interested in thoughts on here about whether a auto is a good choice for a first stag?? There is a nice on on ebay at the moment which ticks all the boxes and isnt to far away the only downside that i can see is the auto box, the seller advises that it works fine and the rest of the car looks tidy enough, any pitfalls to the auto?? Apart from it changing up and down smoothly and working on the kick down anything else to check??
    Thanks

    #2
    Hi Tony
    Auto's are ideal around town, but on a motorway, the revs are much higher at say 70mph which doesn't help on fuel or engine wear. Putting that to one side, an auto around town is lovely. The ideal scenario is the 4 speed conversion box as the revs match a manual box on motorways and is a very smooth change.

    Just my opinion and why I chose a manual with overdrive
    Yellow Rules OK

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      #3
      I don't think there are any real issues with the autobox to make it something to avoid. They are 3 speed though so, as Andrew said, the revs are a bit higher than a 4 speed manual one which generally also has overdrive. The earlier cars had a BW35 box that was upgraded in later models with the BW65 and it's fair to say that they aren't the smoothest boxes - especially if you are comparing them to modern cars. The ZF conversion is well thought of.

      If you are intending to do a lot of relatively long journeys, the manual would be less tiring but in and around town and out and about through lanes and stuff then the higher revs aren't an issue really. It's all about personal choice and, although I am a committed manual man, my Stag is auto because it just happened to tick all the other boxes and seemed too good to turn down. Personally, and I know some will disagree, the Stag isn't something to drive frantically as it's not a sports car. I think there is a certain laziness about it and I enjoy sticking it in drive and just relaxing.

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        #4
        I have been told that the autos are lovely around town too and awkard on the motorway. My garage (who has owned a Stag or 2) thinks they are better with a Manual (he is a 2CV lover also) whilst my Porsche specialist favours the auto (he reckons it suits them more).

        I cannot comment on either combinations since I have only ever driven a Stag with a 4 speed Auto (converted from a BW35 3 speed). For me, it seems to really suit the car. Wonderful in town, yet so relaxed on the motorway (using GPS figures 2,400rpm is around 70MPH with 3000 being around 80, maybe a little more (that's slightly better than my modern which is also a 3 litre but with 6 gears)). So relaxed even that it must be one of the first classics where I can barely hear the exhaust on the motorway (or maybe that is the wind noise...).

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          #5
          Thanks for the replies, im thinking it wont be doing many miles and probably not a lot of motorways so it may be suitable to have the auto, from what i can read on here they are pretty robust so im not overly concerned.

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            #6
            Originally posted by tony750cc View Post
            Thanks for the replies, im thinking it wont be doing many miles and probably not a lot of motorways so it may be suitable to have the auto, from what i can read on here they are pretty robust so im not overly concerned.

            Mines Auto (BW35) I agree with all the comments about 4 speed auto's and manual with O/D, if mine goes bang it will get a ZF fitted but having said that driving within the legal speed limits I find mine OK at 70 mph it hovers around the 3500rpm mark, I tend to drive it on motorways at 60-65 (3000 rpm) and find it very comfortable and just sit back and enjoy the drive and sound whilst the Stag paranoia hovers in the background, Listening to every noise, watching the temperature and the oil pressure.

            Ian
            Wise men ignore the advice of fools, but fools ignore the advice of wise men sigpic

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              #7
              Tony,

              I bought an auto and enjoy it! The Stag is not built for / and I rarely use it on motorways - It's an A / B road car where it excels! Manual may be slightly better on ultimate performance and slightly better on fuel consumption but it's marginal!
              My original 3 speed is great, as Ian says, if it goes bang I'll replace it with a 4 speed BMW box.
              Where abouts are you? I'm in Cardiff and would be only too pleased to meet up and give you a demonstration.
              One of my friends, also in the SOC lives in Newport and has a manual so you may be able to compare before you buy.
              Regards, John.

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                #8
                Thanks John, im in Caerphilly so close to Cardiff, ive seen the meetings are in the Ty-Nant so was thinking of popping there next time as i just missed the last one. The one on ebay finishes tomorrow, its very tempting!! i appreciate the offer of a look over yours, ive read up on here the places to look for rot etc, the owner of the one for sale tells me its in good shape and hasnt had any welding done. I will let you know how i get on....and hopefully will be joining the ranks pretty shortly!

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                  #9
                  Mines an auto, and it does the job, quite relaxing, suits the V8 very well.
                  Yes it is quite low geared, but that actually makes it very responsive.
                  i have driven a manual OD and to be honest found it heavy and agricultural...some say 'period'!
                  You will also find most auto's don't cause many problems, the manual can have problems with the overdrive unit, noisy bearings, clutch problems, gear synchro problems etc etc
                  cheers
                  Mike
                  Mike.
                  74 Stag (Best Modified 2007), 02 Maserati 4200, 17 BMW M140i, 00 Mitsubishi Pinin

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                    #10
                    If you only want gentle motoring and little motorway use the autobox is fine, my car was fitted with one when I bought it
                    Unfortunately I sit firmly in the leadfoot category and do a large proportion of my annual mileage on the motorway as the Stag is such a good long distance cruiser. I couldn't live with its annoying habit of kicking down to second when the engine had plenty enough torque in top for the task in hand, and even more the 18mpg fuel consumption which improved to 25 when I fitted a manual overdrive
                    Neil
                    Neil
                    TV8, efi, fast road cams and home built manifolds. 246bhp 220lbft torque

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by flying farmer View Post
                      If you only want gentle motoring and little motorway use the autobox is fine, my car was fitted with one when I bought it
                      Unfortunately I sit firmly in the leadfoot category and do a large proportion of my annual mileage on the motorway as the Stag is such a good long distance cruiser. I couldn't live with its annoying habit of kicking down to second when the engine had plenty enough torque in top for the task in hand, and even more the 18mpg fuel consumption which improved to 25 when I fitted a manual overdrive
                      Neil
                      Can't say I have had the problem of kicking down too early, all down to how you have the cable adjusted though.
                      Fuel economy is certainly better with a manual box, unless the ZF 4 speed has been fitted. My BW35 averages 19/20 mpg, but funny enough as much as 23 blasting at around 80 on the motorway!
                      cheers
                      Mike
                      Mike.
                      74 Stag (Best Modified 2007), 02 Maserati 4200, 17 BMW M140i, 00 Mitsubishi Pinin

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                        #12
                        One problem I found with my BW35 was that it sometimes snatched whilst waiting at junctions - as if it was dropping out of then back into gear. Also seemed to have a mind of it's own and was sometimes undecided out of corners, changing down then up again straight away.
                        Ok around town, but the engine revs were too high at anything above 50mph, the car seemed strained and the torque converter sapped the engine power.
                        I converted mine to MOD which transformed the car which is now a pleasure to drive 'with spirit'. Some owners love the auto, I don't and I wouldn't want another.
                        Best advice I could give is don't rush in and buy the first one you see, look at and drive few autos and manuals and see which you prefer.

                        Something to consider,

                        Mark.

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                          #13
                          i am not a fan of the 3 speed auto it leaves me feeling disconected from the car and the point and squirt is not for me.i have not had the pleasure of driving the stag with the 4 speed zf auto box with lock up but i do run a jaguar xjr supercharged with the same box and it is awesome i can even drive it in a semi manual mode changing gear myself .the lock comes in at about 50 mph and is great for economy but i can override that when i want to sumon the devil.must admit though i like the conection with a manual box its more of a drivers set up i think but i do like the lazy relaxed option at times .so ithink for the auto the zf is probably the way to go with a stag .
                          steve
                          Beautiful early mk1 white tv8 mod? MGB GT and now looking for another V8

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                            #14
                            I have a auto bw35 in my 73 it`s ok but i think autos leave the driver disconnected from the driving experience unless is coupled to the right motor, but the auto suits the stags cruise car image and suprisingly the fuel economy ins`t too bad i have got 300 miles to a full tank. Its down to personal choice but both are good drivers.

                            Cheers
                            Adrian

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                              #15
                              I have been making frequent trips up the M23 and round the M25 in the Stag. Mine has the ZF box and it is a great cruiser and quite capable of mixing it in the outer lane. Not bad for a car approaching 40.

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