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    Stag Cooling System

    I have found that after fitting the Chris Spain cooling system header tank with the low level alarm there is a problem. When filling the cooling system to the correct level and venting the header tank all is fine and the alarm does not activate when driven for the first time. On subsequent drives it was found that the alarm bleeps constantly, and very annoyingly, till the system reaches working temperature, then all is well until you brake hard and it goes off again.
    The problem is that with the initially full system the coolant heats up there is expansion. The header tank overflows as the pressure cap lifts and coolant is lost. Next time you go out the level in the header tank has dropped and the alarm activates.
    The answer to this problem is to reinstate the original Stag idea of the plastic bottle overflow which has the pressure and back vent system, whereby any overflowing liquid is drawn back into the header tank when the engine cools.
    To elaborate: Fill the system to the brim of the header tank. Obtain a blanking radiator cap and fit to the header tank. Connect an 8mm bore pressure hose from the overflow outlet (beneath the header tank blanking cap) to the bottom of the original Stag overflow bottle. Make sure that the original overflow bottle is in good order (mine wasn't as the brass neck leaked from the seal) Make sure you have the correct 20 psi bottle pressure cap (part no. GRC222) You now have a constantly full header tank and the alarm does not activate unless there is a real loss of coolant. I hope this makes sense, whatever, it works on my Stag!

    Date: 15/06/2014
    Having just returned from a 1000 mile holiday in France I thought all interested persons might like to know the following developments.
    On arrival at Calais and parked up in the Ibis Hotel, I checked under bonnet and noticed that the level in the Stag overflow tank was low.
    Giving the top rad hose a squeeze and noticing that there was no pressure in the system, I then gave it another squeeze. The resultant effect was to blow the low level float switch out of the end of the Chris Spain head tank. Further inspection revealed that the plastic boss had sheared off inside the tank and the float switch it's self was defective.
    This switch was fitted by the maker and was "as received".
    I managed to blank off the hoses to and from the head tank and reverted back to the Stag 'as fitted' system.
    Needless to say I have now stripped out the whole system.
    Thanks Chris!
    Last edited by andybaulf; 15 June 2014, 10:23. Reason: Further 'Developments' - beware

    #2
    Andy, I don't think this happens on most systems installed, but I have come across a couple like yours. The reasons are as follows:

    1. The tank may slope downwards slightly towards the front. This reduces the level of coolant to the sensor switch. Answer, is simple: add washers under the tank top/front mounting hole to lift front of tank.
    2. Excessive levels of antifreeze (eg 50%) lowers the SG (gravity) and the rate of expansion of the coolant (due to high rate of Ethylene Glycol). This may cause the float level to drop slightly, and also requires excessive expansion volume. Answer, reduce amount of antifreeze (25% should be OK).

    I hope the above is also helpful, and I would be interested to hear if this is so if you care to try them.
    Last edited by V Mad; 27 August 2012, 22:21.

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      #3
      My kit from chris did this ,still does this when cold, good to check it is working, but improved when i found i had not fitted the switch level in the tank as i turned it slightly when tightening, washers a good thought, John

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        #4
        Hi Andy

        Great minds think alike!

        I did exactly the same, the benefit is that the header tank is always full which probably provides an additional litre of coolant and makes checking the levels a lot easier.

        Phil

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          #5
          The idea of a "header tank" is to create a head of water, above the level of the radiator, the low level of coolant in the tank should be the top of the rad, any lower is not a head of coolant, just an expansion tank as the original Stag design, this is my understanding of the principal, any other opinions are welcome.

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            #6
            Originally posted by steve.n View Post
            The idea of a "header tank" is to create a head of water, above the level of the radiator, the low level of coolant in the tank should be the top of the rad, any lower is not a head of coolant, just an expansion tank as the original Stag design, this is my understanding of the principal, any other opinions are welcome.



            Hi Steve, the idea is to provide a head above the water pump. Martin.

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              #7
              Andy. Good idea and i will copy as i also have exactly the same problem. I have already modified my header tank mounting bracket to make it level. This has improved but not eliminated the problem. I may have too high a mix of antifreze but it makes sense to refit the expansion bottle. The only problem is that i have just used the space to mount the Ward headlight upgrade relays. Something will fit somewhere!

              Tim

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                #8
                Originally posted by martin View Post
                Hi Steve, the idea is to provide a head above the water pump. Martin.
                Absolutely correct.

                Jeff.
                I only do what the voices in my wife’s head tell me to do!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by martin View Post
                  Hi Steve, the idea is to provide a head above the water pump. Martin.
                  Good Point, my thinking of a head of water in the ideal world is to eliminate air at the top of the rad, as you say the critical point is the pump,i am trying to achieve a head above the top hose to provide reserve after a low level warning

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