Lock up your Mk1

[milothedog]

Ringer anyone

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-STAG-TAX-EXEMPT-V5-AND-ROTTEN-BODY-SHELL-/200812217503?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3ATriumph%7CModel%3AStag&hash=item2ec157449f#ht_500wt_1019

Ian

Item reported.

[DJT]

It hardly seems worth reporting any more. Not when there was a trader at Malvern, right outside the entrance to Wye Hall, clearly advertising Tax Exempt IDs on his stall........

[ChasR]

It hardly seems worth reporting any more. Not when there was a trader at Malvern, right outside the entrance to Wye Hall, clearly advertising Tax Exempt IDs on his stall........

It seems to be the case. I know that my MGB that was sold to a very well respected company in the MG circles has now gone from a T plate to a 'private' H plate which also happens to be tax exempt.

I appreciate saving £220 a year but compared to many EU countries the Brits don't have that a bad a deal IMO. But people will save where they can, and in quite a few cases by ringing with how easy it is to get away with it and actually do it to old cars.

[richardthestag]

ebay don't give a stuff about v5 id anymore and this chap seems to have easily bypassed the only ebay restriction by selling a pile of rust with a v5. you won't get it removed.

Ringing a motor for free VED on the other hand is actually fraud and fraud against the hmrc as I guess they control duty. So if somebody fancies being worked over in the most creative and painful fashion and risk confiscation of their car, if caught of course, then I guess there is nowt we can do.

What well respected company in MG circles BTW, have you got proof? don't name and shame but that sounds like a despicible act even if it is for an MGB.

Was your reshelled? quite a few differences between T and H reg mgb's and that wouldn't be tricky for your average bar room expect to spot.

[AlanD]

done too Ian, reported it.

makes me sooo mad

Alan

[ChasR]

What well respected company in MG circles BTW, have you got proof? don't name and shame but that sounds like a despicible act even if it is for an MGB.

Was your reshelled? quite a few differences between T and H reg mgb's and that wouldn't be tricky for your average bar room expect to spot.

He might have hinted to it after he handed over the cash in addition to me seeing the car later on its new plates. It was not a reshell, but it had been converted to a Sebring spec complete with the wider arches, decambered/lowered springs/Spax dampers etc. and many other bits. I guess his other intention was to drop in an RV8, something which I understand is not all that tricky to do in a post-77 'B.

I know MG Motorsport converted the cars to Sebring arches for quite a signficant sum of money, which I guess was his reason for buying mine.

To be fair even that's not bad by some specialists. On a certain well known VW forum, a sponsored supplier was thrown off it for creating a VW beach buggy from a Beetle, yet having the full chassis and VW from the Beetle all intact still sat in his yard!

[MandM]

The sooner that they sort out the rolling tax exempt issue to stop all this bo**ocks the better, if they can't tax the thing they can't afford it anyway, we also need to keep the MOT's as we will get the same *wat's driving tax exempt killing machines.

[ChasR]

The sooner that they sort out the rolling tax exempt issue to stop all this bo**ocks the better, if they can't tax the thing they can't afford it anyway, we also need to keep the MOT's as we will get the same *wat's driving tax exempt killing machines.

AFAIK the government is not too happy with the tax exempt scheme at the moment, so any thought of new cars gaining tax exemption status seems ambitious to me. Add that to the current things that the being discussed regarding modifications et. al it will certainly make things interesting.

You will soon see ringing occurring to post 1960 cars with the arrival of MOT exempt cars....

[DJT]

Talking of MGBs and 'ringing'. If you read the latest Practical Classics they have a feature on special MGBs. One of them is a Frontline Developments LE50: http://www.autominded.com/577_le50-i...b/classic-cars

Now this one has a new shell, new (Mazda) engine, new suspension, new interior, etc. Yet if you put the registration up on the DVLA website you get:

Date of Liability	01 11 2012
Date of First Registration	01 09 1966
Year of Manufacture	1966
Cylinder Capacity (cc)	1798cc
CO2 Emissions	Not Available
Fuel Type	PETROL
Export Marker	N
Vehicle Status	Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour	GREEN
Vehicle Type Approval	Not Available

So how come this car retains its 1966 build date and is Tax Exempt and not on a new registration?

Their website even clearly states that "there is no donor car"

[rare1]

its not worth reporting and its not fraud.

[Rubce]

Hi Dave

Interesting article about the MG. Considering that it is now fitted with a modern 2 litres engine, the emissions will now be available for that car's MOT purposes!

Bruce 8-)

[Rubce]

its not worth reporting and its not fraud.

Err, I think you should read the definition of the word "fraud"!

In criminal law, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual; the related adjective is fraudulent. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and also a civil law violation. Defrauding people or entities of money or valuables is a common purpose of fraud.
A hoax also involves deception, but without the intention of gain or of damaging or depriving the victim.

[Kevin Garrod]

It's not fraudulent to sell a V5, but it is to make use of it to ring a vehicle.
Perhaps it should be made illegal?

[Bob Heritage]

[QUOTE=rare1;195599]its not worth reporting and its not fraud.[/QUOTE]

????

[ChasR]

Err, I think you should read the definition of the word "fraud"!

In criminal law, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual; the related adjective is fraudulent. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and also a civil law violation. Defrauding people or entities of money or valuables is a common purpose of fraud.
A hoax also involves deception, but without the intention of gain or of damaging or depriving the victim.

Without this escalating too much, all Frontline will say is that the original car was rotten beyond repair and hence they reshelled it. Goes against them saying that there is no donor car involved (unless they meant a working car!).