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    Coolant filling procedure

    Hi everyone,
    I wonder if somebody would be kind enough to give me, or tell me where to find, the correct procedure for filling the system with coolant.
    My Stag is a 1971 with a completely new Mk 2 cooling configuration (did after we bought the car in June this year). Everything checked (rad) and replaced with new, bar the water pump. New heater matrix was also put in as the old one was bypassed. Radiator was taken to rad shop and repaired as it had sprung a leak from the old Mk1 bendy fan hitting it and breaking off. So assume they had checked rad all over.

    All went well with the plain water test for leaks. Car ran many times with temp gauge not doing scary things and all hoses hot in the right places. Today I wanted to add antifreeze. I started with using a flush chemical for getting rid of rust and followed all directions. All looked good. Heater was on, pipes hot. Haven't drained the coolant and flush from the blocks 'cos didn't know where the drain plugs were until about 15 mins ago (on this forum). Triumph engine has had a rebuild 4,000 miles ago, all I have is the invoice. During one of the engine runs to flush the chemical, I heard popping sounds from the heater matrix; assumed it was air bubbles. Drained rad (although should drain whole system according to flush instructions). There were some flakes of rust in what came out, so guess the chemical did some work.

    Drove the car to a place where I can put the left front nose high to fill with antifreeze. I figured since I only got about 3-4 L from the lower rad hose, that neat antifreeze would dilute down to about right dilution. (It can get down to -40oC in winter here, and the attached garage usually hits -20oC during these periods).

    Started car to circulate the coolant. I didn't do the hoses squeezing, so that was probably a mistake. The coolant bubbled out the rad cap like an Icelandic geyser. Figured that was the air coming out so kept going, rad cap off expansion bottle. Coolant everywhere. Refilled to what I thought was ok.

    Went for a spin round the block and temp gauge climbed. Still heard the heater matrix making sounds. Just got home when a top hose coming from lower rad hose, came off its seating and spewed coolant over the engine. Everywhere hot, no cold spots. Expansion bottle now full.

    Will sort out the hose tomorrow, but any idea of sequence of events? What is proper coolant fill procedure? VC is ok, fan spinning ok. Crud behind thermostat? Water pump? And what is that heater matrix up to? Wasn't doing that noise before (it's new). Can I buy a regular thermostat gasket from the equivalent to Halfords w/out having to order one (takes 2 weeks).

    Sorry, this is long and I'm going to be a constant pest on this forum. Don't forget, use words that a girl who knows how a car works, but hasn't a clue in the repair dept, understands!!!

    Thanks
    Tanya
    Last edited by SaskStag; 3 September 2012, 04:50.
    Tanya: Brit in Canada
    71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

    #2
    Hi Tanya,

    i think it would be best to start again, mix your coolant in a watering can to the correct strenth for your enviroment, i would guess 50/50 mix.

    i would fill on a cold engine too. Completly drain the system, and the heads, heater to hot, bung out of the radiator, bottom hose off first, let it drain, drain plugs and make sure coolant comes out of them both, then jack the front up, now to fill, all drains taps closed and pipes secure, fill from the radiator slowly from the watering can into the top of the Radiator, make sure you get as much coolant in as you can, i think it sould be a bout 7 or 8 LTRS, you can never empty the heater matrix so you will never get a full quota in, when it's full, lower the car and fill the expansion bottle halfway and replace the cap.

    now the test, start her up and keep an eye on the top of the rad, top up if needed, bung in and run her up to temp, make sure you keep and eye on the temp guage too.

    well thats how i do mine, hopefully someone else will come along with more info who is a lot more experienced than me

    hope this helps

    Alan

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      #3
      Hi Tanya,
      does your car have a/c fitted?

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        #4
        No AC, thank goodness. Don't think I could cope with that system as well!
        Cheers
        Tanya
        Tanya: Brit in Canada
        71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

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          #5
          Ok, retried car and same thing happened. Engine started to get hotter than normal, hose into water pump blew off, and heater ran cold. I'm thinking the pump is shot???
          Tanya
          Tanya: Brit in Canada
          71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

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            #6
            i think you still have air in there somewhere Tanya, did you remove the thermostat by any chance, you need the one with a small hole in the top with a jiggle pin, if it was ok with just the water in and ran fine then, in my mind it has to be something simple, you did flush the system through with a hose?

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              #7
              Tanya,
              It sounds like you are doing the same as me, as I too have a Mk1 Stag with a Mk2 cooling system, and I too am completely re-vamping the cooling system (today I took the thermostat to work to check out the opening temperature!). Just a quick "numpty" question though. I see that you have checked out the system using plain water, and then used a flusher to get rid of any rust. My cooling system has been empty for around 4 weeks, should I repeat what you have done? Do SOC members recommend this procedure or is there a better way?
              Steve

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                #8
                Haven't done the block drains I must admit. I think I would like to have someone with me who knows their stuff. I can ask the guys in the Saskatchewan British Car Club in Saskatoon (of which I'm a member) to give me some moral support. There are plenty of Triumphs in the club, but I have the only Stag. The only other Stag in this province is still under serious resto. I can do a hosepipe flush from the heater end, have the gizmo for that.
                Just letting the car cool down for another look see. We did the jack the car up bit, maybe I need more height.
                The thermostat was changed and it does have a jiggle pin, hole placed to top. Appeared to work fine beforehand.
                Tanya
                Tanya: Brit in Canada
                71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

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                  #9
                  I'm a bit worried I have dislodged some rust flakes to somewhere they shouldn't be. So if you're a wimp like me and won't flush the whole system, maybe not!!! But I'm no expert, just paranoid and a complete numpty!!! At the moment, we're checking if the pump is working by unhooking the heater hose and looking for flow.
                  Tanya
                  Tanya: Brit in Canada
                  71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

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                    #10
                    if you have a mk1 you most likely have a mk1 intake manifold. Take a look at the pictures you can see what they are talking about the stat with the jiggle pin I would take a pass on that i used a regular thermostat and drilled a hole in it. A mk 1 manifold is configured different it lets more coolant recirculate, before i changed my manifold the engine would get very hot the gauge would show this and when the stat opened the normal cooling would take place. You said that the car was running fine before you replaced the heater ?? can you by pass the heater and fil the car from there. If you get a flush kit it should have a tee that you can connect a water hose to the system which would help you fill the system. I used a funnel and a length of hose left the rad cap of and connected to the heater matrix and filled up the system.

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                    this is a link to some pictures that might help you see what is going on.

                    cheers Stuart

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                      #11
                      Good news is the pump appears to be working. We filled up the engine side of the thermostat as well. Thermostat is as photo.
                      Heater started getting hot as soon as engine side was being filled. We're letting car cool down and move it to an incline to ensure air is out. Fingers crossed it was an air lock.
                      Tanya
                      Tanya: Brit in Canada
                      71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

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                        #12
                        Good news, it was a massive air lock and not enough coolant. Stag running great now.
                        Now I'm investing in a header tank after that scare!!! Many thanks
                        Tanya
                        Tanya: Brit in Canada
                        71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

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                          #13
                          I am pleased you have the problem sorted no one mentioned to make sure the heater was fully open during the fill and warm up it is important.

                          Peter

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                            #14
                            Glad you got it sorted Tanya. I had the same thing once after having done several coolant changes without problem - pretty scary.

                            I was going to post some tips earlier but every time, someone else beat me to it !

                            I would however advise taking out those block drain plugs and having a good poke in there with a bit of bent wire if nothing comes out, if you haven't done it already. If you do a search on here you should find lots of advice and pics about this.

                            Cheers

                            Julian

                            Ps It's good to see you girls on here - there aren't enough of you

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                              #15
                              well done Tanya, knew you would get there in the end. plenty of help here too. bet you were 10 feet tall when you sorted it,

                              Julian you smoothy something we should know hahahahha just pullin your leg mate

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