Ferrari Tactics

[4x4]

I think their tactics to get Alonso up the grid stink.........

[Stagdad]

What happend ,i missed it as it was on late

[Kevin Garrod]

It's on now, on sky.

[Jeff]

It's on now, on sky.

Clock's wrong again by an hour!

[4x4]

I think their tactics to get Alonso up the grid stink.........

Ferarri deliberately broke the gearbox seal on Massa's car to drop him five places on the grid. Putting both him - but more importantly for Ferrari - Alonso - onto the clean side of the grid for the start.
Perhaps not actually breaking the regulations per se, but not within the spirit of the regulations or the sport.
Me? I think the FIA should fine Ferrari for beringing the sport into disrepute..........

[Guest]

Ferarri deliberately broke the gearbox seal on Massa's car to drop him five places on the grid. Putting both him - but more importantly for Ferrari - Alonso - onto the clean side of the grid for the start.
Perhaps not actually breaking the regulations per se, but not within the spirit of the regulations or the sport.
Me? I think the FIA should fine Ferrari for beringing the sport into disrepute..........

Red Bull brought Webber into the pits last week to let Vettel past, no difference in my opinion. Massa would've just let Alonso by on the track anyway!!

Alonso has a slight chance of the championship, Massa doesn't. I'd like Alonso to win this year, best driver by a long way but the Ferrari isn't as good as the Red Bull!

Jason

[73stagman]

I think Massa said it all.... "He wouldnt find another driver like me" but all is fair in love and war hey..

[ChasR]

Red Bull brought Webber into the pits last week to let Vettel past, no difference in my opinion. Massa would've just let Alonso by on the track anyway!!

Alonso has a slight chance of the championship, Massa doesn't. I'd like Alonso to win this year, best driver by a long way but the Ferrari isn't as good as the Red Bull!

Jason

Pretty much my thoughts. RB have been doing this for years with Vettel and Webber (Didn't the pair of them have the noses swapped on their cars because Webber's car was faster? Who cannot forget Webber's fuel saving regimes...).

EDIT: It seems Ferrari did this not necessarily to spite Massa, but to get both Ferraris from the dirty side of the track to the clean side for the start.

[73stagman]

Also in a few races Webber was told point blank not to pass Vettel and at other times to make sure Vettle was not delayed.

It is a team sport after all. Whilst one guy is in the lead and fighting for a championship the whole team has to get behind him and help him take the most points

[Guest]

Stick em all on motorbikes, see how good at racing they are then!!!

Jason

[4x4]

Pretty much my thoughts. RB have been doing this for years with Vettel and Webber (Didn't the pair of them have the noses swapped on their cars because Webber's car was faster? Who cannot forget Webber's fuel saving regimes...).

EDIT: It seems Ferrari did this not necessarily to spite Massa, but to get both Ferraris from the dirty side of the track to the clean side for the start.

If you only have one part available - and two cars - you have to choose which car that goes on.
What you do with team orders within your tem to affect which driver does better within your team is your choice - but how far do you allow stuff like this to go?
Does this now become a "team" tactical move - to get your opposition moved on to the dirty side of the grid?

Ferarri have a simple solution to this - build a car that is good enough that they don't have to stoop to tactics like this...................

[Staggard]

I though Ferarri had " built a car that is good enough" Alonso starts 7th and finished 3rd (despite a crap pit stop) and Massa starts 11th and finished 4th is that not competitive where as Red Bull Vettle starts 1st and finishes 2nd and webber dosen't finish, I rest my case

[Motorsport Micky]

You young whippersnappers "need to get some time in" as my old dad used to say.

In F1 in the 50s and 60s it was not unusual if the No 1 drivers car broke for the No2 driver to be called in and his car given to to the star driver", all this with the approval of the F1 organisers, how do you like them onions ?
As regards the Ferarri tactics it's the same as taking a dive in the penalty area, all the participants take advantage where they can and footballing Continental and South American teams have been taking the mickey doing it for years. Without there's a specific rule forbidding it you can expect the participants to take whatever advantage they see in it, in whatever sport. We all may decide it's not the way we like it but you have to "cook with the ingredients you are given" and the only way to see the opposition don't get an advantage is to be smarter, it's a competition !

[Westfaling]

And don't forget the F in FIA stands for Ferrari! so no chance of any sanctions.
Nick

[4x4]

I though Ferarri had " built a car that is good enough" Alonso starts 7th and finished 3rd (despite a crap pit stop) and Massa starts 11th and finished 4th is that not competitive where as Red Bull Vettle starts 1st and finishes 2nd and webber dosen't finish, I rest my case

Red Bull win the Constructors Championship by several miles, for the third year in a row - and Ferrari feel the need to knobble one of their drivers to improve the chances of the other, and knobble other competitors to boot.
Alonso started just yards behind Vettel - and finished nearly half a lap behind.

I'd say that pretty conclusively means either the car and/or the driver isn't good enough to be truly competitive - and I don't think the problem is the driver.............

I rest my case also - or should the be Alonso?

Nuff said!