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    SOCTFL Poll: Inner Sill Repair Panel

    As those who follow SOCTFL activities will be aware, one of the projects that has been under consideration for some time is re-manufacture of inner sills.

    A modest sum was invested in creating “flashes” to capture the shape of an original pair that we were able to borrow. SOCTFL then investigated the cost of the tooling necessary to produce complete inner sills using the flashes as the starting point. This was variously estimated at £18,000 plus (for both left and right hand sides), i.e. not affordable.


    It turns out, however, that many SOC members and professional restorers would be quite happy if a repair panel could be produced to allow the lower half of the inner sill to be replaced (the bit that rots) whilst retaining the upper half (usually sound). A longitudinal joddle in the repair section would allow the upper and lower halves to be joined.

    The feasibility of this has been investigated as a joint exercise between SOCTFL, a Stag parts wholesaler, and a classic panels manufacturer. The outcome is that the repair panels could be produced by a fabrication process rather than pressing, so avoiding a heavy investment in tooling.

    The fabrication process would make use of the flashes owned by SOCTFL, an existing tool owned by the wholesaler, and expertise of the manufacturer. However, there is (as always) a challenge in producing an affordable panel given the number of process stages: the panel is 67 inches long; it has six or seven folds; it has an eight inch depression that needs forming and seam welding; it has an uplift on the lower edge that requires cutting, patching, and welding; it has a front fillet that requires forming and welding; it needs a hole for the seat belt with a nut and reinforcing plate; it needs a full length joggle. Finally, it needs metal finishing and spaying with primer.


    There is, apparently, an inner sill repair panel on the market at a selling price less than the cost of producing a SOCTFL version – and that’s before we add distribution, retailer’s uplift, and VAT. So what’s new, I hear you say – this applies to a number of panels we produce, and we all know that its worth paying the extra to save labour costs or your own time in achieving a good fit.However, we need to get some idea of what SOC members would be willing to pay for the SOCTFL version before we take the project further. SOCTFL would be most grateful if you would please take a few moments to complete our poll.
    29
    £100 - £125
    20.69%
    6
    £126 - £150
    31.03%
    9
    £151 - £175
    34.48%
    10
    £176 - £200
    6.90%
    2
    £201 - £225
    6.90%
    2

    The poll is expired.


    #2
    When I went to Stoneleigh this year there was a chap there selling new inner sills for a Triumph 2500.
    He told me they were readily available.
    They were £85.00 or £185.00 I cant remember for sure..
    As the Stag is loosely based on the 2000/2500 shell is it not possible that these items with a small amount of modification would work for the Stag.

    My information is only based on one conversation with one man so it could be completely wrong..Jump in anyone that knows for sure..

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      #3
      The 2000 sills (at least on a Mk1) are quite different from a Stag inner sill, with the latter having a step on the lower half of the bottom of the sill which the Mk1 2000 does not have.

      I only came to know about this when my inner sills were repaired by a chap who owned a 2000, with him initially planning to graft on part of a 2000 sill onto my car, which of course he could not do!

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        #4
        Having replaced a few inner sills in the past the best compromise repair panel (if it has to be a compromise due to budget) for me would be the area at the rear of the sill that includes the curved section that spot welds against the triangulated subframe mounting reinforcement. The rest of the bottom edge of the sill is fairly easy to make up although pre-folded correct gauge sections would be useful. Two different pre-folded sections would need to be available due to the differences in height of the horizontal edge between the front and the rear. If however, it turns out that an accurate full length bottom section can be made within the available investment budget then great!

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          #5
          Just out of interest I checked the Rimmers site.

          I'm not quite sure how a SOCTFL sill would differ from theirs (I guess their's is only a part panel ?) however I think we all acknowledge that SOCTFL funded parts are of the very highest quality yet the Rimmers one is £163.

          Cheers

          Julian

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            #6
            Originally posted by jleyton View Post
            Just out of interest I checked the Rimmers site.

            I'm not quite sure how a SOCTFL sill would differ from theirs (I guess their's is only a part panel ?) however I think we all acknowledge that SOCTFL funded parts are of the very highest quality yet the Rimmers one is £163.

            Cheers

            Julian

            julian

            i think the SOCTEL are planning to make just repair panel sections,rimmers sell the whole panel,when i fitted my inner sill its a lot of work to get the old panel out,my first inner sill didn't fit well so returned it for another

            if SOCTEL need an inner sill for patterns i have one they can use

            dave

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              #7
              Thanks for the feedback so far.

              SOCTFL are looking at the possibility of a full length panel for the lower half that rots. May people prefer to leave the upper half in place as this approach keeps the body rigid and you can keep control of the repair. We already have access to existing tooling for the curved section and flashes taken from a new original pair.

              Our decision to take this forward will depend on a four-way discussion between SOCTFL as sponsors for the project, the wholesaler who would loan the tooling for the curved section, the manufacturer who would fabricate the repair panels, and a car restorer that would assist in testing (and possibly re-testing) the form and fit of prototypes.

              It also depends on what Stag owners would be willing to pay for a part that accurately fits, hence the poll. Thanks to all that have responded so far.

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                #8
                Given that Rimmer Bros already supply an inner sill, some tooling must be available. Would it be an option to invest the money in improving what tooling already exists for the whole panel?

                Order your Inner Sill - RH - 908152 ⛽ Low prices and fast, worldwide delivery ✈ British car experts ♚ Call ☎ 01522 568000 or ☎ 1-855-746-2767

                Order your Inner Sill - LH - 908151 ⛽ Low prices and fast, worldwide delivery ✈ British car experts ♚ Call ☎ 01522 568000 or ☎ 1-855-746-2767


                Just a thought.

                Rgds

                Dave
                http://www.stagwiki.com | http://parts.stagwiki.com (Under Development)

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                  #9
                  Thanks for the thought Dave. As mentioned in the first post in this thread SOCTFL would not need to produce any new tooling in order to produce a high-quality repair panel. We would, however have, needed £18K plus to produce tooling for the complete panel which I don't think anyone could afford to do on likely volumes.

                  Originally posted by Philip Wardle View Post
                  The fabrication process would make use of the flashes owned by SOCTFL, an existing tool owned by the wholesaler, and expertise of the manufacturer. However, there is (as always) a challenge in producing an affordable panel given the number of process stages: the panel is 67 inches long; it has six or seven folds; it has an eight inch depression that needs forming and seam welding; it has an uplift on the lower edge that requires cutting, patching, and welding; it has a front fillet that requires forming and welding; it needs a hole for the seat belt with a nut and reinforcing plate; it needs a full length joggle. Finally, it needs metal finishing and spaying with primer.

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                    #10
                    The existing replacement panel just does not fit, I've had to use good second hand inners instead so anything that The tooling fund can do to address this is a very good thing.

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                      #11
                      Thanks Tony, that's the sort of feedback that's really useful. If anyone else has a comment on the existing panel it would be very useful to SOCTFL - whether good, bad or indifferent - that would be very helpful to SOCTFL. If you would prefer to send a PM your reply will be kept confidential.

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                        #12
                        Out of curiosity, what is it about the existing panel that is wrong?
                        http://www.stagwiki.com | http://parts.stagwiki.com (Under Development)

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                          #13
                          If I rember rightly they were the wrong length, height and shape.

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                            #14
                            Oh, not much wrong then!
                            http://www.stagwiki.com | http://parts.stagwiki.com (Under Development)

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                              #15
                              the first inner sill i bought the curve where the wiring went was to small, and it was the wrong shape at the back where it meet the base of the back seat,the new one was better

                              dave

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