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    "Petrol filling safety"

    Got this as a e-mail , STAY SAFE

    WARNING FROM SHELL OIL COMPANY DO NOT DELETE, PLEASE READ
    Please send this information to ALL your family & friends, especially those who have kids in the car with them while pumping gas. If this were to happen, they may not be able to get the children out in time.

    MUST READ, EVEN IF YOU DON'T OWN A CAR.



    Shell Oil Comments - A MUST READ!

    Safety Alert!
    Here are some reasons why we don't allow cell phones in operating areas, propylene oxide handling and storage area, propane, gas and diesel refueling areas.

    The Shell Oil Company recently issued a warning after three incidents in which mobile phones (cell phones) ignited fumes during fueling operations
    In the first case, the phone was placed on the car's trunk lid during fueling; it rang and the ensuing fire destroyed the car and the gasoline pump.

    In the second, an individual suffered severe burns to their face when fumes ignited as they answered a call while refueling their car!

    And in the third, an individual suffered burns to the thigh and groin as fumes ignited when the phone, which was in their pocket, rang while they were fueling their car.

    You should know that: Mobile Phones can ignite fuel or fumes

    Mobile phones that light up when switched on or when they ring release enough energy to provide a spark for ignition

    Mobile phones should not be used in filling stations, or when fueling lawn mowers, boat, etc.

    Mobile phones should not be used, or should be turned off, around other materials that generate flammable or explosive fumes or dust, (I.e., solvents, chemicals, gases, grain dust, etc...)

    TO sum it up, here are the Four Rules for Safe Refueling:

    1) Turn off engine
    2) Don't smoke

    3) Don't use your cell phone - leave it inside the vehicle or turn it off
    4) Don't re-enter your vehicle during fueling
    .

    Bob Renkes of Petroleum Equipment Institute is working on a campaign to try and make people aware of fires as a result of 'static electricity' at gas pumps. His company has researched 150 cases of these fires.

    His results were very surprising:

    1) Out of 150 cases, almost all of them were women.

    2) Almost all cases involved the person getting back in their vehicle while the nozzle was still pumping gas. When finished, they went back to pull the nozzle out and the fire started, as a result of static.

    3) Most had on rubber-soled shoes.

    4) Most men never get back in their vehicle until completely finished. This is why they are seldom involved in these types of fires.

    5) Don't ever use cell phones when pumping gas

    6) It is the vapors that come out of the gas that cause the fire, when connected with static charges.

    7) There were 29 fires where the vehicle was re-entered and the nozzle was touched during refueling from a variety of makes and models. Some resulted in extensive damage to the vehicle, to the station, and to the customer.

    8) Seventeen fires occurred before, during or immediately after the gas cap was removed and before fueling began.Mr. Renkes stresses to NEVER get back into your vehicle while filling it with gas.
    If you absolutely HAVE to get in your vehicle while the gas is pumping, make sure you get out, close the door TOUCHING THE METAL, before you ever pull the nozzle out. This way the static from your body will be discharged before you ever remove the nozzle.

    As I mentioned earlier, The Petroleum Equipment Institute, along with several other companies now, are really trying to make the public aware of this danger.

    I ask you to please send this information to ALL your family and friends, especially those who have kids in the car with them while pumping gas. If this were to happen to them, they may not be able to get the children out in time.Turn off the phone when you drive into a service station, fill lawn mower etc.





























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    #2
    There's an interesting insight into this on Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/static.asp

    Cheers

    Julian

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      #3
      I can accept that static electricity could easily cause petrol vapour to ingnite, and I suspect most of us have had a shock off a car body at one time or another. However, I believe that exhaustive tests have been carried out in the past to try and get mobile phones to cause explosions, without any success at all. I think somebody is barking up the wrong tree here. Mike.

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        #4
        Originally posted by jleyton View Post
        There's an interesting insight into this on Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/static.asp

        Cheers

        Julian
        A must read Julian and certainly gets the whole thing into perspective - having said this I never use my phone in/near a fuel station but also, I haven't been to a garage in the UK in years where it is possible to leave the "gas" pumping while you get back in the car, make a phone call, go shopping or whatever takes your fancy; ,maybe this is still possible with pumps in the USA..?
        Mike

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          #5
          Originally posted by mike@thenook View Post
          A must read Julian and certainly gets the whole thing into perspective - having said this I never use my phone in/near a fuel station but also, I haven't been to a garage in the UK in years where it is possible to leave the "gas" pumping while you get back in the car, make a phone call, go shopping or whatever takes your fancy; ,maybe this is still possible with pumps in the USA..?
          Ditto.
          May be my brain is playing tricks, but I too don't recall visiting petrol station in the UK for many years where there has been a locking mechanism on the gun/pump handle.
          I also thought I had seen an experiment where fuel failed to be ignited by a mobile being used, but am happy to be corrected on this.

          I suppose the reality is anything which distracts you whilst handling what is undoubtedly a dangerous and very flammable fuel, should be avoided.

          Baz

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            #6
            I cannot see where a mobile phone with its tiny voltage can produce a spark to ignite petrol. Has any one seen a mobile phone sparking? I would be more worried about the dodgy lights at 250 volts just above the pump, which you see often. Or those idiots who puff away whilsr refilling.

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              #7
              Re. the locking mechanisms on fuel pumps. I was working evenings at the local petrol station during my last 2 years at school in 1970/71. We had the locking mechanisms initially, but it was during my time there that they were removed, so it hasn't been possible to lock the handles in the UK for over 40 years.

              These warnings still circulate from time to time and have been fairly well de-bunked. I know that Mythbusters have tried to ignite petrol fumes with mobile phones on several occasions under totally unrealistic, controlled and contrived conditions but failed. It makes me smile every time I board a plane at my local airport where they have signs warning against mobile phone use past the boarding gate due to 'Fuelling Risk'. If petrol vapours can't be ignited by mobile phone with a Flash Point of -15 degrees C, there is no way that Jet-A1 will ignite when it has a Flash Point of +45 degress C.

              Static discharges causing vapour fires I can believe. It is a mandatory requirement to connect a bonding lead to aircraft during refuelling as static build-up is known to ignite Jet-A1 fumes.
              Dave
              1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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                #8
                Hoax:

                Check out http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...-gas-fires.htm and other websites available (Hoax Slayer et al).

                According to Urban legend this has been circulating since 1999 although there has never been a documented case of it happening, a Shell Oil source says the e mail is a hoax and did not originate from the company, "we're not aware that there has ever been an incident where this has happened," a Shell representative told Reuters in February 2003.

                There are numerous other sites which also refute the mobile causing an explosion, however there is a general acceptance that it is possible for static electricity to cause an explosion (possibly from the fuelling driver) or other charged items on the car.

                Personally if you consider the sparks prevalent inside alternators or dynamos which are open to atmosphere and drive in and out every couple of minutes into bays in the petrol stations it must only be the absence of vapours or gas in their area which prevents an explosion !

                I should ask your chauffer to fuel up in future, lol.

                Micky

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Motorsport Micky View Post
                  Hoax:

                  Check out http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...-gas-fires.htm and other websites available (Hoax Slayer et al).

                  According to Urban legend this has been circulating since 1999 although there has never been a documented case of it happening, a Shell Oil source says the e mail is a hoax and did not originate from the company, "we're not aware that there has ever been an incident where this has happened," a Shell representative told Reuters in February 2003.

                  There are numerous other sites which also refute the mobile causing an explosion, however there is a general acceptance that it is possible for static electricity to cause an explosion (possibly from the fuelling driver) or other charged items on the car.

                  Personally if you consider the sparks prevalent inside alternators or dynamos which are open to atmosphere and drive in and out every couple of minutes into bays in the petrol stations it must only be the absence of vapours or gas in their area which prevents an explosion !

                  I should ask your chauffer to fuel up in future, lol.

                  Micky
                  Totally agree.

                  I was told that a mobile phone can affect the pump software so interferes with the figures and that is the real reason they do not want you to use a phone, how true that one is is anyone's guess.

                  More risk associated with other things like a spark from the engine I would guess, but extremely rare, just more scare mongering.

                  In the last 10 years of my fire service career (mobile phones) and the previous 20, only a few incidents involving petrol pumps and that was when cars crashed into them. As said before in another thread, unleaded seems more flammable than leaded, hence more car fires following RTC's (RTA old language).

                  Jeff.
                  I only do what the voices in my wife’s head tell me to do!

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                    #10
                    Any email with the following phase in it

                    Please send this information to ALL your family & friends

                    is almost 100% guaranteed to be a hoax. Normally a quick Google confirms it!

                    BTW anyone see the Brainiac episode where they were trying to blow up a caravan using a mobile and some petrol. Didn't work :-(

                    Edit: Found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkJdaU92Ln8
                    Last edited by NickA; 17 February 2013, 17:14.
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                      #11
                      Very interesting but complete B*****s. especially when your local cellular mast if often in the sign where the prices are displayed. I can understand a vibration motor could be a problem but it would need to be faulty to be considered any risk.
                      The interesting one is Velcro try pulling it apart in the dark and see the static that is released.
                      This probably dates back to the days of CB (Children's Broadcasting ) where it was common for "burners" to to be 50 or 100watt transmitter amplifiers and they would screw up the pumps simple electronics. We now also have EMC regulations and that has cut down on the interference caused by radio devices.
                      What are you going to do with telematic devices often fitted into high end cars these and trackers are on all the time?

                      Jeff. You must know Pete Mackay.

                      Paul.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Firept View Post
                        Very interesting but complete B*****s. especially when your local cellular mast if often in the sign where the prices are displayed. I can understand a vibration motor could be a problem but it would need to be faulty to be considered any risk.
                        The interesting one is Velcro try pulling it apart in the dark and see the static that is released.
                        This probably dates back to the days of CB (Children's Broadcasting ) where it was common for "burners" to to be 50 or 100watt transmitter amplifiers and they would screw up the pumps simple electronics. We now also have EMC regulations and that has cut down on the interference caused by radio devices.
                        What are you going to do with telematic devices often fitted into high end cars these and trackers are on all the time?

                        Jeff. You must know Pete Mackay.

                        Paul.
                        Hi Paul,

                        I served in Bucks and Berkshire.
                        I only do what the voices in my wife’s head tell me to do!

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                          #13
                          Found this youtube video, "watch your back"

                          www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgfaNGlp1ZI
                          "The UK,s 2nd Most Easterly Stag" Quad Exhaust- ZF 4 Speed BOX

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by MandM View Post
                            Found this youtube video, "watch your back"

                            www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgfaNGlp1ZI

                            I dont know if you can remember that there was a problem with the first Allegros where the back wheels used to come off usually at a round about or similar.
                            Well I was in my local filling station that was also a Vauxhall dealer and they had just got the first Firenza and it was out on display, while I was filling up I heard this noise like some one coughing but was amazed to see this wheel go past the pumps at quite a speed and smack the Firenza in the boot leaving a lovely dent. Over on the roundabout was an Allegro minus one wheel ...I wondered if they ever went and asked... "can I have my wheel back".

                            More dangerous than a mobile phone.

                            Paul.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Firept View Post
                              Very interesting but complete B*****s. especially when your local cellular mast if often in the sign where the prices are displayed. I can understand a vibration motor could be a problem but it would need to be faulty to be considered any risk.
                              The interesting one is Velcro try pulling it apart in the dark and see the static that is released.
                              This probably dates back to the days of CB (Children's Broadcasting ) where it was common for "burners" to to be 50 or 100watt transmitter amplifiers and they would screw up the pumps simple electronics. We now also have EMC regulations and that has cut down on the interference caused by radio devices.
                              What are you going to do with telematic devices often fitted into high end cars these and trackers are on all the time?

                              Jeff. You must know Pete Mackay.

                              Paul.

                              I'm sure you Fire & Rescue folk must have see it, but on a course I attended we were shown some CCTV footage of the Bunsfield disaster. If that lorry leaving the site driving through 3ft of explosive vaporu didn't go up it makes the mobile scenario look pretty silly.

                              Ian.

                              (That driver certainly had lady luck looking after him that day)
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