Paint and Mehcanics

[stustag]

I have been to see the sprayer who is currently doing some work on my Stag paintwork.

The car is having the following work carried out to sort out what looked like minor blemishes and to ensure they don't increase in severity due to my car living outside.

Bonnet & Boot lid bare metal resprayed.

Hardtop and the underside of the rear arches taken back and resprayed (the later due to 2 small bubbles showing through).

Shaun (the sprayer) advised me that after taking the paint back to bare metal on the boot lid he found that the micro blistering that was evident on the old paint work was caused by a previous sprayer using polyester spray filler to cover up the defects in the surface of the boot lid.

He told me this spray filler is porous and had we left it any longer the boot lid would of rusted away under the paint!:shock:The surface had loads of micro rust spots in it which he had to get rid of then treat the surface with chemical rust treatment.

The boot lid was done along time ago as it is a different shade to the rest of the car. However the sides of my car had new front and rear wings in 1990 along with new door skins and then they were resprayed in 2006 to high standard of paint finish (Shaun said the paint finish is excellent).

What is worrying though is these small bubbles and the fact that the previous sprayer seems to have built up the surface alot prior to painting! Shaun is going to remove some paint on the inner arche lip and see what lies beneath, hopefully pristine metalif not he will fix the paint for now and I will have to budget for the sides to be bare metal sprayed and remedial work carried out at a later date.

Coming to the point of this post, it just goes to show that you really can't take for granted that work carried out by previous people has been done right.

I am really paranoid about anything on my cars that has been done without me or someone I can trust doing the job properly.

I have looked through the receipts for my car and it had an engine rebuild in 2001 and new panels in 1990 + paint in 2006 all with receipts for parts and labour but after what I have seen on the boot lid I'm not sure about any of the work carried out prior to my ownership now!

I may just be being paranoid but I will budget now for a complete bare metal paint job on the sides within the next 18 months and will buy a spare engine to rebuild myself just in case!:?

StuartVery depressed without my Stag and unsure of everything!

[al-stag]

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Hi Stuart,

I have areas of Micro Blistering on mine (apparently painted in 1996). I took it to the local sprayer who sucked his teeth a lot and told me to come back in 3 months (He thought it had been recently resprayed)

So, you are not alone. Chin up!

Al

[GDPR]

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Microblistering on mine too - someone didn't bare metal it when it was last painted.

On the plus side, get 10 feet away and no-one would notice..... I bought mine to drive and enjoy, not to show!

Russ:dude:

[Cheesy]

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I have some macro-blistering on my boot lid :shock:

[mad cyclist]

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generally micro blistering is caused in two ways moisture and more commonly not getting rid of the residuals of polish that we all love to chuck at our cars all too often,

feel for you Stu, still if you spent 10k on a 5k car and kept it 3 years you would still have lost 2k less than my mate has trying to px his bmw that he bought 3 years ago, that has done wait for it..............................16800miles:shock:c ost him 38k been offerd 16k by the same garage:X

[Giles]

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Do not want to be left out - got a little bit on my front wing!

I thought it is usually a result of tiny water drops in the paint as a result a poor water trap etc letting moisture from the compressor though the air line, not draining compressor etc. Once tried a bit of spraying 25 oddyears ago and ended up with it all over the bonnet of my Hillman Imp:shock:

[grahamb]

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I showed the micro blistering on my car to someone who knows about such mattersat theBromley show last week and was told that either something damp had been laid on the car or more likely an outside car coverhad caused them.

I think that both apply to my car.

[virgin26]

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My car had a bare metal respray by the previous owner then he stuck it in his garage
with a plastic cover over it, now i have blistering in places.

[Gresley]

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I have blistering too on the rear lower quarters. The car looks good from a few feet away but a bare metal respray is probably on the cards in the not too distant future. (the lower quarters will have to bee done much sooner though!)

Brian

[stustag]

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mad cyclist wrote:

generally micro blistering is caused in two ways moisture and more commonly not getting rid of the residuals of polish that we all love to chuck at our cars all too often,

feel for you Stu, still if you spent 10k on a 5k car and kept it 3 years you would still have lost 2k less than my mate has trying to px his bmw that he bought 3 years ago, that has done wait for it..............................16800miles:shock:c ost him 38k been offerd 16k by the same garage:X

As usual Nick your very good at putting things into perspective, I looked at all my bills today from the year I have owned this car.

If I don't count the wheels and tyres which were a luxury item I didn't really need I have only spent £573 on this car! If I calculate everything including the paint work and wheels and the purchase price I have spent £7372 on a car which has been valued at £10000 before I did the paint.

If I have the car valued next month and it has increased in value I think that every thing I have done will be more than justifiable.

As in the other thread regarding the 12k yellow Stag this is a good thing as is every other Stag that manages to sell for over £10k as you said it pushes the value of all stags up and therefore makes the work we carry out improving the condition of the Stag we own a worthwhile cause financially as well as personal satisfaction.

Kryten I to have not bought my car to show and I to use my Stag most days, this paint work had to be done due to my car living outside and I don't want it to loss value.

Stuart (Feeling a bit better today)

[Dave M]

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You have probably read my rants on this subject before but here goes again. My car was "bare metalled" by a so called Stag specialist. When I got the car back there were runs and missed areas of paint all over the car. Inside the bonnet and hood stowage areas looked like a waterfall of paint similar to what you get if you apply too much dulux gloss to a house door!!. Filler was visible when you looked down the side of the car. Four attempts at respraying the car later and it looked Ok but I now had masking lines on a bare metalled car as the panels were only done that had defective paint. Then like an idiot when I put a small bump in the rear wing I took it back to the same place as I thought well at least they should be able tomatch the paint. They repaired the dent but nowunder the rear bumper there is muck in the paint which looks like rust but isn't its dust and muck thats blown up off the floor when they sprayed the wing. I now have a fewrust spots appearing that Im about to get sorted but Im not taking it back to where it was originally sprayed as I don't trust them to do a good job.

Whilst I agree with Russ in that the car should be driven rather than showed its still very disappointing when you pay someone to do a job on yourcar and they mess it up especially when they call themselves Stag specialists and regularly advertise in the Owners Club magazine. Rant over again

Dave

[Marco Polo]

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G'day Dave,

Did you get those half shafts sorted yet?

regards,

Raoul

[mickl]

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Stuart



If you have been following my respray thread you will know that I have just had car resprayed because of micro blistering, I was able to live with this until one particular blister increased in size and then cracked the paint allowing moisture to penetrate.

When the paint was removed there were small areas of surface rust about the size of the end of a pencil which was pushing paint up, like your sprayer my man thouight that water had got thriough the primer before top coat had been applied, saying that primer is porous, probably stood outside between coats or wet and dry used wet.

All rust spots were sanded away to bare clean metal along with most of the remaining paint on car, it was then filled to blend the panels and flatten then locally primed, blocked to check for flatness and then primed all over with a filler primer which was blocked again, finally two coats of base coat (colour) and then clearcoat on top. all of this has been cut back and polished, the result is a very nice paint job.

I would advise that you check masking up before any painting is done, ie wheels, arches, and below cills, bootfloor windscreen etc as these are the details that can spoil the job,visit as often as possible and ask questions, even if you know the answer to them,you need to convey the message that you are looking for a good job and not the usual insurance repair standard job.


Like Nick I always console myselfwith the thought of money saved from depreciation,(good one for justifying it to SWMBO)


Good luck



Mick l

[Dave M]

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Marco Polo wrote:

G'day Dave,

Did you get those half shafts sorted yet?

regards,

Raoul

Hi Raoul

Not done any more with them, checked diameter of Datsun UJ caps andthey are27.8mm, so they are the same size as yours (thanks for measuringyours by the way) will be in touch by pm shortly.

Dave

[stustag]

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Well it's good news and not so good news from the sprayer!:shock:

He has removed the paint from the arches to find........................................Clean rust free metal

Unfortunately whilst painting the boot lid and the metal just in front of this and behind thetonneau cover he had some problems!:X:X

The colour match is not good due to the previous paint job down the sides being done wrong in the colour match department and in it's application. When Shaun went to remove the masking tape on the rear wing the paint came off leaving the old paint showing underneath:shock::shock:. This due to whoever painted the sides did not key the surface properly:X.

Shaun is now trying to decide do we go for broke (in the literal sense :shock::shock or can he some how fix the 50p sizes area by blending it in:?.

I think the first option is going to happen and he will have to Bare metal the sides as well.

On the plus side the hard top looks fantastic and like new again.

Stuart