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    Viscous Fan Removal

    It's amazing how some of the most basic information can be missed out of official manuals, and even if you ring someone used to doing the job, it's one of those things that is so basic, no-one remembers when put on the spot.

    I needed to remove my Viscous Fan unit as it was making noises of the impending doom kind. Naturally I didn't want my nice new 4 core radiator ruined, and with the Kenlowe fitted, the VF unit does very little anyway. Still, if you want to fit a new VF unit you'll have to get the old one off first.

    OK, I can undo a bolt, but which way? Many cars of the 70's era had left hand threaded bolts holding the viscous unit on, and I didn't want to be battering away at a thread that I was actually damaging. There is no marking to give clues on the bolt head (With things Gas, LH threads have a groove turned in the hexagon for identification, see Acetlylene and Propane Gauges)).

    I did manage to get all the info. I needed by using several searches and reading a lot of threads (thanks to this forum) and I thought it a good idea to collate all the info., put it in one easy to search for thread for others in the future. Here it is;

    1. Remove Radiator depending on the space in front of the bolt. You have a meaty socket and bar to get in.

    2. The bolt hex. size is 24mm or more correctly 15/16" and it's best to use a 6 point hexagonal socket, not a 12 point. I avoided using spanner due to the torque required, and extending that spanner with trickery is risky if it all falls apart with the rad. still in place.

    3. The bolt thread is normal, right hand. Standing facing the fan, that is anti-clockwise to undo it.

    4. It is best to use the longest breaker bar you can find to undo the bolt.

    5. You really do need a medium sized Stilson with effective (not worn) teeth to stop the crank turning whilst undoing the bolt, This can be used on the smooth portion just behind the pulley. It works perfectly.

    6. You can always tell when someone has been watching 'Wheeler Dealers' as they refer to using a 'Windy Gun' like Mr China. I tried my air wrench but It didn't work for me.

    7. When replacing the bolt, torque to 120 lbs/ft (thanks Tanya!)

    As I'm now running with no VF I made a spacer (Jaguar seat runner jack-up collar about 1.5" OD, bored to suit and clear the bolt) because I was concerned that the original bolt would bottom out without the fan fitted. This spacer is the same length as would have been occupied by the VF unit central boss, so all is well once more with the bolt tight. As to whether I'll be OK with no VF, just the Kenlowe, only time will tell.

    Thanks to all involved for making this info. available for me to simply collate.

    Regards

    Steve

    Last edited by Stagsongas; 5 June 2013, 15:18. Reason: spelling and content
    TV8, LPG, EEWP, HiD's, ZF 4, 15" Minilites, SS Bumpers & Exhaust, BMW Servo & Master, Rilsan.

    #2
    Thanks Steve for this, some useful clarifications there. I'm in the process of changing head gaskets on my '75 Stag and obviously need to also remove the viscous coupling, as you I wasn't completely sure either whether its a left or right hand thread. Now I know! Just need to borrow a pipe wrench off someone now to get that done.

    Cheers,
    Joakim

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      #3
      Hi,
      Had my Pully bolt off a couple of times and you do need a good strong lever to loosen it.
      If I recall correectly I used a long torque wrench to get it off whilst holding the crank with a thick strong "dog collar" chain
      wrapped round it and attached to the engine lifting hole to keep it from turning. I think it is torqued up to 100lbs per square inch.
      Hope yours comes off O.K. PS. When you get the Pully off check it for cracks - found one on mine and had to get a new Pully.

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        #4
        I recently had mine off to replace the VC and fan after the original fan decided to try to eat the radiator on drive-it-day. I used an air hammer thingy (windy gun) and that worked immediately. I also used the same tool to do it up - set to the lowest setting - and then used a torque wrench to check.

        Another way is to use a big spanner and hammer to 'shock' the bolt off. You then don't really need to stop the engine turning, but the problems of missing the spanner with the hammer and/or the spanner flying off are not insignificant!

        It'll be interesting to see how you get on without the engine fan.

        Cheers,
        Mike.
        Mine since 1987. Finished a 20+ year rebuild in 2012. One of many Triumphs and a 1949 LandRover!

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          #5
          Never have a problem undoing the bolt - my 3/4 drive windy gun laughs at it with well over 200lb/ft available..

          Bought the gun originally when I could not shift the pulley bolt on my 1.8 Accord with a 1/2 inch one

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            #6
            I'm certainly capable of wielding the air wrench, but given the doubt over the thread (LH or RH) I wanted some 'feel' from the tools to judge whether I was going the right way or not. Whilst gas stuff has LH threads identified by the groove in the hexagon, this convention was not taken up by the motor industry.

            The classic mistake (but not on a car deserving the title) was when removing the NSR brake drums on the Austin Maestro. The dealers were selling 100's of NSR stub axles a week at one time due to people stripping the Left Hand spindle threads during a DIY Mission. The nuts where not marked, so thousands were destroyed by simple lack of awareness, understandable I guess, and very unhelpful on the maker's part. However, there is less excuse as the thread end can bee seen when it's a nut that nees to be removed. With a bolt like the Stag VF item there is nothing to see.

            Regards

            Steve
            TV8, LPG, EEWP, HiD's, ZF 4, 15" Minilites, SS Bumpers & Exhaust, BMW Servo & Master, Rilsan.

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              #7
              Here's another piece of information that is hard to find as well, but got it thanks to this forum (unless it is in the torque list at front of ROM - I've just remembered about that page!!)
              Torque to 120 lbs/ft
              If you hand tighten - the fan gets quite wobbly after a few trips (ask me how i know)
              We used a chain wrench. One person holding the wrench and another tightening/untightening using a breaker bar
              Tanya
              Tanya: Brit in Canada
              71 Fed Stag, TV8, ZF 4spd auto, EWP and crossed fingers

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                #8
                Originally posted by Mike Stevens View Post
                I recently had mine off to replace the VC and fan after the original fan decided to try to eat the radiator on drive-it-day. I used an air hammer thingy (windy gun) and that worked immediately. I also used the same tool to do it up - set to the lowest setting - and then used a torque wrench to check.

                Another way is to use a big spanner and hammer to 'shock' the bolt off. You then don't really need to stop the engine turning, but the problems of missing the spanner with the hammer and/or the spanner flying off are not insignificant!

                It'll be interesting to see how you get on without the engine fan.

                Cheers,
                Mike.
                Mike,

                I learned a long time ago that I am not to be trusted with a Hammer whilst being close to a radiator....

                Regards

                Steve
                TV8, LPG, EEWP, HiD's, ZF 4, 15" Minilites, SS Bumpers & Exhaust, BMW Servo & Master, Rilsan.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SaskStag View Post
                  Here's another piece of information that is hard to find as well, but got it thanks to this forum (unless it is in the torque list at front of ROM - I've just remembered about that page!!)
                  Torque to 120 lbs/ft
                  If you hand tighten - the fan gets quite wobbly after a few trips (ask me how i know)
                  We used a chain wrench. One person holding the wrench and another tightening/untightening
                  Tanya
                  Thanks Tanya, I will add that to the definitive thread. I didn't find a torque and just did mine V. V. tight!

                  Regards

                  Steve
                  TV8, LPG, EEWP, HiD's, ZF 4, 15" Minilites, SS Bumpers & Exhaust, BMW Servo & Master, Rilsan.

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                    #10
                    I borrowed a Snap-On 24v Impact Wrench from the garage that does my MOT. That worked fine.

                    Torque setting is in the ROM:

                    Torque.jpg
                    Last edited by DJT; 5 June 2013, 15:53.
                    Dave
                    1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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                      #11
                      Sorry to bump a 5 year old thread, but this post came in very useful to me today - thank you.

                      Putting the car into 4th gear and chocking all 4 wheels allowed the nut to come free with a big breaker bar - 1st gear wasn't enough.

                      It looks like someone has put a Land Rover viscous coupling (CFD105) onto my car in the past, so I'm returning it to a Stag-spec one.

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                        #12
                        There is an identical Landrover VC to the Stag one you might possibly have one of those. The spare I've got at home is in a Landrover box but I couldn't tell you what part No. it is off hand. or which flavour of Land rover it comes from!

                        Rgds

                        Dave
                        http://www.stagwiki.com | http://parts.stagwiki.com (Under Development)

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                          #13
                          TKC101 is the Stag Mk2 part number. Fitted to other Leyland models, including TR7, TR8, 2000TC, 2500TC, 2500S, Dolomite Sprint/1850, various SD1 models (3500, 2300/2600) as well as some Jaguars and Land Rovers. The one I have fitted was supplied in a LR package, part number ERC2849. Try searching for that part number and see the prices for genuine LR ones!!!
                          Last edited by DJT; 22 August 2018, 15:07.
                          Dave
                          1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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                            #14
                            I have been running my Stag with a four core rad and a Revotec fan for 18 months. No problem with the cooling, the fan has rarely cut in whilst driving, but on hot days seems to settle a bit above half way on the gauge. The fan comes on mainly when you come to a stop, when there is no air passing through the rad. After turning the engine off on a hot day recently, the fan would stay on for a couple of minutes.

                            You will find that the long bolt with kiss the radiator as the engine rocks forward on its mounts under braking. The original bolt is Triumph part number HB1333, which is 5/8” UNF and 4 1/8” inches (4.125”) long. The spacer inside the VC is about an inch, so if you delete the spacer, but keep the thick washer, you can use a 3” inch HT steel bolt as a substitute and increase the gap between the bolt and the rad.

                            If you want to get engineering brownie points, cut down the existing bolt to 3 1/8” inches (3.125”) and extend the thread, by tapping an extra inch worth. I just bought a 3” inch bolt.
                            Last edited by Carboy0; 23 August 2018, 08:27.
                            Chris
                            Magenta Stag TV8 MOD

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