Amazed at the small response to my thread

[Essex Stag]

On the 30th I posted about the possible increase in Ethanol in fuel that could potentially harm our cars nearly 200 people read it and I had 2 replies one to point out a spelling mistake . There were plenty telling what you had for Christmas. surely this is a cause for concern or are we putting our heads in the sand and hope it will go away . The Rover P4 Drivers guild did discuss it in great detail and other clubs have but not the SOC why???????? The response for free road tax woke you up but perhaps you were all still subdued from the Christmas cheer
Amazing . Derek

[DJT]

Hi Derek,

I was one of those who read your post, but didn't respond. I don't know the answer, I'm afraid. I do know that the SOC is affiliated to the FBHVC and liaising with them regularly on changes to legislation and policy that could affect our cars. I did read a while back that there were trials on additives to counter the effects of high ethanol content. Have these been concluded?

I guess that there is an element of "head in sand" here, along with the hope that the clubs, especially the FHBVC will look out for our interests and perhaps the problem will not be as severe as some are predicting. After all, the initial panic over the withdrawal of leaded petrol was largely unnecessary.

http://www.fbhvc.co.uk/legislation-and-fuels/fuel-information/

[Essex Stag]

Thanks Dave
You say you did see something about an additive perhaps other members have some more info as this could be serious or just a flash in the pan like you say we were worried about unleaded
Derek

[jleyton]

Not head in the sand - just confident something will get sorted.

Far too much scaremongering in the media these days - scaring people helps to sell the Daily Mail and Express

Cheers

Julian

[dasadrew]

... The Rover P4 Drivers guild did discuss it in great detail and other clubs have but not the SOC why???????? ....
Amazing . Derek

It was discussed to death about a year ago including all of the effects on rubber, metal, alloy and the rest. Did you search the Forum for all of the discussions and information before posting?

... There were plenty telling what you had for Christmas.....

There is a very vocal faction who wish that the Forum be as much a social chat and joke exchange place as a source of founded technical information so some of those who would post in reply to such a technical issue like the effects of ethanol on a Stag don't bother any more.

[KOY 23]

There is a very vocal faction who wish that the Forum be as much a social chat and joke exchange place as a source of founded technical information so some of those who would post in reply to such a technical issue like the effects of ethanol on a Stag don't bother any more.

Very true Drew, there has to be a balance between the "fun" side and the technical information and where that line is depends on personal choice. Totally agree with you about "source of founded technical information so some of those who would post in reply to such a technical issue like the effects of ethanol on a Stag don't bother any more."When the experts do post, their facts are likened to "old wives tales" and we wonder why they don't bother any more.

How about a New Years forum resolution; Cut the bull**** and talk facts. The forum would be a much healthier, happier place and hopefully the experts will come back to impart their knowledge for the benefit of us all.

[jleyton]

There is a very vocal faction who wish that the Forum be as much a social chat and joke exchange place as a source of founded technical information so some of those who would post in reply to such a technical issue like the effects of ethanol on a Stag don't bother any more.

Very true Drew, there has to be a balance between the "fun" side and the technical information and where that line is depends on personal choice.

When the experts do post, their facts are likened to "old wives tales" and we wonder why they don't bother any more.

How about a New Years forum resolution; Cut the bull**** and talk facts. The forum would be a much healthier, happier place and hopefully the experts will come back to impart their knowledge for the benefit of us all.

Sorry, but I just don't see the "vocal faction who wish that the Forum be as much a social chat and joke exchange place as a source of founded technical information" As John says, "there has to be a balance between the "fun" side and the technical information" and, for me, the balance has been generally ok.

But I also haven't noticed that "When the experts do post, their facts are likened to "old wives tales"", nor have I seen too much "bull****". Mistakes perhaps - I'm sure I've made a few - but not really bull****.

For me I'd just like to have a good mix of facts, humour and banter (we haven't seen that word mentioned much for quite a while) and no uneccessary backbiting

Just my four pennies worth

Cheers

Julian

[V Mad]

When the experts do post, their facts are likened to "old wives tales" and we wonder why they don't bother any more.

How about a New Years forum resolution; Cut the bull**** and talk facts. .

John, it's too early in the new year to start trying to insult people. I thought you were trying to avoid arguments?

Facts? Experts? These are both few and far between. We mostly deal with opinions and past experiences on this forum, and there's nothing wrong with that and a bit of healthy debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion without being insulted. Let's keep it that way.

But fortunately we do have some very experienced and knowledgable people who I respect on this forum, and I hope they will remain posting despite the annoying squabbles.

John, please chill for the new year for everyones sake.

[Stag therapy]

It was discussed to death about a year ago including all of the effects on rubber, metal, alloy and the rest. Did you search the Forum for all of the discussions and information before posting?............

http://www.stag.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?16385-Ethanol-Update-20-Feb-2012&highlight=ethanol

http://www.stag.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?12360-Stromberg-Diaphragms-Bio-Ethanol-amp-Co&highlight=ethanol

[Jeff]

AND WE'RE OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What happened to Happy New Year with peace and goodwill to ALL men???????????

Alcohol's obviously worn off.

[V Mad]

I know, I just dont get it. Moderators are saying no rules have been broken, so what can you do.

[Mister G]

Derek
To return to your original topic and original thread, I like you am concerned over the proposed increase.
My interest in this started soon after E5 was introduced when a friend running a 35yr old Midget started experiencing carburation problems leading to rough running. I remain convinced this is linked to the fuel change.
My other interest is because I run another car with a glass fibre fuel tank which in its present form has fuel lines running through the engine bay close to both manifolds. Not ideal if Ethanol is aggressive to glass fibre and degrades standard fuel lines.
I believe Frosts (and possibly others) supply an additive to combat the effects of Ethanol but I haven't tried any of them.

John

[Jeff]

Oh and I didn't reply to the post because I know nothing about the subject and if I did, I couldn't be arsed to be honest.

Still waiting for my car to be found in a car park lurking somewhere in Crawley after being taxi'd back home at 3.30 this morning because a meet and greet company blocked the car in and lost the keys to the offending vehicle, there is more potential harm threatening that car than Ethel.

And I will not apologise for high jacking this thread with my moans and groans instead of using my rant thread (might use that later) 'cos no one apologises to me.

Bah Humbug.

[edd]

Trying to hold my breath
Anyway , i was interested in this post as every time i ask the so called experts the usage of plastic or copper fuel pipes i get lots of different answers.
I hate people using there knowlege as a type of bargaining tool for their type of forum . If you dont want to join in the just reply to the topic you can most relate too simples .
I'm lucky that i have many friends both on the forum and in my local club that can answer most questions with a wealth of knowledge so lets not get carried away with a few pretending we are worthless without them.
I post on here because i,m trying to help others and at the same learning .Being taught is very different to being told. Things also get lost in text , Chris Spain was helping the other day and but was taken the wrong way. I will certainly check for warpage whilst welding , i always do as a matter of course. I think we all have to be carefull how we word threads and all remember the basic premis we are all trying to help eachother not score points .
Lets all live and let live . If we lose the fun people on here i tell you they equate to a larger knowledge base than the techical only folk. We should try to appreciate both , especally if we are to appeal to the younger crowd.
We wont have a future without making sure everyone is involved .
Happy new year all , and i said before that means all. Life is too short
Edd

[Tdm]

For me I'd just like to have a good mix of facts, humour and banter (we haven't seen that word mentioned much for quite a while) and no uneccessary backbiting Just my four pennies worth CheersJulian

I for one concur Julian.