New Cylinder Heads

[Snakey]

Just taken a look at the new heads on the "other" forum. :shock:

Hardly Cosworth quality :?

Sss

[grahamb]

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Is that a problem then? They will do what they were designed to do. I dont know if Cosworth actually made castings for 30 year old classics but if they did, then I suspect that the new headswill actually be similar to low volume cosworth quality.

[NickA]

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Picture's are here

http://s508.photobucket.com/albums/s...inder%20Heads/

I had the Cosworth engineeredhead on my Cavalier 4 x 4 turbo fail after only 70,000 miles so I'm not that taken with their quality.

[Snakey]

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These new heads are copies of the originals?

So possibly same drawbacks? And £2k is that per head! or a pair?

Obviously great attention needs to be given to the cooling system so to take care of those bad boys, or have mods been done to improve flow and coolingbetween the heads. Brave piece of work, just thinking of the warrenty claims, BL couldnt handle that.

I suppose either way at least there will be more servicable heads available.

Too be fair it doesnt worry me my Buicks fine :P

Sssssss

[Bugsey]

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Are you refering to the new Millenium Heads as deomnstrated by Roger Morrish at the Natl. day? Knowing Roger, I have every confidence that this will be absolutely fit for purpose. Eventually, it will get impossible to source reasonable condition second hand heads so a new replacement will be essential and I know these are now installed in a couple of cars Roger works on and, when the time comes, mine too

[mad cyclist]

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My concern is that it says on the bit of card on the photos about abinger hammer motors, are these the only people who will be supplying as that smacks of monopoly especially as it was supported by club money, if said firm had financed themselves then fair play to them but if not whats the score.??

[Bugsey]

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My understanding is that this project was driven by Roger's belief that new heads were required. The project was fundedby soctfl funds and probably a lot of roger's and others time. I assume the heads will be available through usual SOCTFL sources

[Bugsey]

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[TimShoubridge]

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Bugsey wrote:

My understanding is that this project was driven by Roger's belief that new heads were required. The project was fundedby soctfl funds and probably a lot of roger's and others time. I assume the heads will be available through usual SOCTFL sources

That being said, it still doesn't address the same old story, club money funding 3rd party supplier and no benefit to the members. No one can deny that this is a monopoly situation despite the supply through SOCTFL sources. I also heard the rumour that the Tier system was being withdrawn so how would that work in the future?

[Bugsey]

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I don't agree - someone has to take the initiative and drive the development. SOCTFL don't in every case, they just fund what they consider to be worthwhile causes. The benefits to members is that we get new stuff that wouldnt exist otherwise and the ability to buy it at significantly less than if an external supplier took on the devlopment on a purely commercial basis (which they wouldnt). I don't see the downside?

[TimShoubridge]

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There will never be agreement on this issue, heads or otherwise. I agree that enthusiasts taking an initiative obtaining funding is good commercial sense, however, how does one actually demonstrate the value to shareholders (us members). Yes, we get the product at a good price but how do we know? Will we ever get to see what the investment was on both sides and what subsidy was provided ... no, and I don't expect to. I expect the officers of the club to use their powers diligently ensuring that we as shareholders obtain a benefit. What I fail to see, and this is the point, is that given all the issues over dwindling membership etc. we as paid up members obtain no benefit over anyone else who owns a stag. Anyone can go to Abinger and obtain the product that our money has helped to develop. That is the point which so far continues to be avoided irrespective of the supplier who has been subsidised.

[stustag]

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Tim this is a good piont you are making, as we the members have contributed finacially we should get a better deal than a non member.

I understand that SOCTFL have invested over £10k (http://www.stag.org.uk/index.aspx?pid=375 )on this project which is well worth the money if it keeps the cars running for many years to come.

I hope that AHM don't get sole rights to these heads as this would be a monopoly and a pain for some one like me who lives the other side of the country!

Do AHM and SOCTFL have an agreement that the heads must be fitted by AHM to give a valid warranty? Is there a warranty?

Food for thought?

Stuart

[mad cyclist]

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it would be an outrage if only one supplier was able to supply this, or any product that has been funded by the club. if it were the case AHM would have us by the short and curleys. dare i say it aswell they are not the most pro active of companys within the club, i cannot remember seeing an advert in the mag for years.

bearing in mind the amount of capable spanner men on here surly we should be able to buy them without hving to have them fitted. all the other parts via soctlf do not set this precedent.

[brian0443]

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mad cyclist wrote:

it would be an outrage if only one supplier was able to supply this, or any product that has been funded by the club.

Lets not get carried away too quickly. AHM are presently the sole manufacturer of these heads and likely to remain so. This will be a small batch manufacture situation and AHM will carry a considerable financial risk. I don't know what the demand will be like but I don't see them having to set up a distribution network to cope. If the "usual suppliers" decide they want to take them into stock that must be their decision. It would help to defray some of AHMs costs, even though they will then be resold to us at a premium. I don't need heads at present and those of us in this presently happy situation must hope that each time AHMcome to the end of a batch they find it commercially attractive to manage the manufacture of another lot, just for us when needed.

Brian

[Phil]

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brian0443 wrote:

Lets not get carried away too quickly. AHM are presently the sole manufacturer of these heads and likely to remain so. This will be a small batch manufacture situation and AHM will carry a considerable financial risk. I don't know what the demand will be like but I don't see them having to set up a distribution network to cope. If the "usual suppliers" decide they want to take them into stock that must be their decision. It would help to defray some of AHMs costs, even though they will then be resold to us at a premium. I don't need heads at present and those of us in this presently happy situation must hope that each time AHMcome to the end of a batch they find it commercially attractive to manage the manufacture of another lot, just for us when needed.

Brian

At last common sense prevails. If there is nothing in it for them then why should they do it. A consideration for SOC members would be a good gesture though. Like you Brian I do not need them as yet but would like to think I had the option if I ever do.



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