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    Interior lights - an explanation.

    The wiring arrangement for the interior lights on a Stag has led to considerable confusion, and many problems, over the years, not helped by the fact that Triumph never produced an official wiring diagram for later cars

    It is widely known that Mk 1 cars had interior lights on each B post, whereas Mk2 cars had just one lamp in the centre of the T bar, but with two bulbs inside. What is not so well known is that there are, at least, two types of wiring that differ radically. I am not convinced that the earlier type of wiring is only applicable to Mk 1s so I refer to ‘early’ and ‘late’ types..

    The wiring on the interior light switch, on both types, is by individual wires, rather than a block connector (as for the electric window switches) and if they become muddled up then all sorts of odd lighting permutations can occur !

    There are two ways to tell easily if you have the earlier or later wiring arrangement: 1) The early version has twin contacts on the door switches - the later cars have just one. 2) On the back of the interior light switch, the early system had two purple wires at the front whereas the later ones had two black wires, connected together.

    The following is the situation as I understand it, but I would not claim to be infallible and if anybody knows differently then I would be more than happy to amend what I have written. The information comes from the official ROM and from the technical pages of the SOC site.


    EARLY TYPE - applicable to Mk 1 cars with lamps on both B posts and early Mk 2 cars with lamps in the centre of the T bar (with twin terminal door switches)

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    From this you can see that the feed comes from the collective point to the bottom right of the diagram via purple wires to the door switches (38 & 43).

    When the door is open these switches are closed and the feed then goes via purple/slate or purple/red wires to the puddle lamps (39 & 44)and to the interior light switch (terminals number 1 & 4)

    From the info in the top right, above, you can see that, when the interior light switch is off those terminals (1 & 4) are connected to terminals 2 and 5. This then provides feed to the B post (41 & 45) and the console lamps (42 & 46)

    When the interior light switch is turned on the separate feed, on terminals 3 & 6 of the interior light switch, is connected to terminals 2 & 5 which in turn feeds the B post and console lamps, but not the puddle lamps.





    LATE TYPE - applicable to late Mk 2 cars (with single terminal door switches).


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    NB These diagrams come from the technical reprints and although they go a long way to de-mystify the later system, it contains one significant mistake (certainly compared to all of the late cars I have examined).

    The error is that it shows a purple feed wire going to both of the interior lamp bulbs (Note that the T bar roof light actually houses two bulbs). Although a purple feed would have been technically correct, on some cars I have seen,Triumph appear to have taken the unusual, even bizarre, step of using a single BLACK wire to feed both bulbs (for either/both the wire going up the B post and the wire inside the T bar). (Bizarre because Black is almost universally used exclusively for earths)

    Anyway, coming up the right hand B post is a loom containing this feed wire that is connected to one end of both bulbs. Purple/white & purple/orange wires come from the other end of the bulbs and go down the right hand B post in the same loom that the black feed came up and are connected to terminals 3 & 4 on the back of the interior light switch.

    As can be seen from the diagram on the left above, terminals 1 & 2 of the interior light switch are connected together and fed by one black wire which is (correctly) an earth.

    Also from the diagram, you can see that purple wires take a feed to both of the footwell lamp bulbs. The other end of these bulbs is connected to the purple/white & purple/orange wires and then to those same terminals 3 & 4 on the back of the interior light switch.

    If the interior light switch is turned ON, it simply connects terminals 1 & 2 to terminals 3 & 4. This makes terminals 3 & 4 earths and completes the circuit and illuminates all four bulbs. (On a properly operating system, the puddle lamps do NOT illuminate when the interior light switch is operated)

    When the interior light switch is OFF, terminal 3 is connected to terminal 7 and terminal 4 is connected to terminal 8. As terminal 7 and/or 8 are earthed as the respective door is opened, this makes terminals 3 and/or 4 earth, allowing the circuit to be completed to ALL bulbs on the respective side of the car.
    Last edited by jleyton; 13 May 2014, 11:53.

    #2
    hi Julian nice explanation ,I think this should be considered for inclusion in the technical area .
    steve
    Beautiful early mk1 white tv8 mod? MGB GT and now looking for another V8

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      #3
      Thanks Steve, good idea.

      I think I'll wait a while to see if anybody spots any flaws in my explanations I'm not too precious to admit that I may have made mistakes, although obviously I hope not.

      Mind you, it doesn't explain Neil's set up where he has a single contact door switch one side and a twin one on the other side

      Cheers

      Julian

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        #4
        Good stuff Julian. However, just to muddy the waters, my late 3rd sanction car (Mk1.5) has purple wires to the switch, two wires to the door switches and the Mk2 T-bar with two bulbs in the light fitting........
        Dave
        1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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          #5
          Originally posted by jleyton View Post
          Mind you, it doesn't explain Neil's set up where he has a single contact door switch one side and a twin one on the other side

          Cheers

          Julian
          I have heard of cars being 'cut and shut', but having one side from a Mk1 and one side from a Mk2 involved some cunning welding
          '72 Manual O/d Saffron Yellow

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            #6
            Originally posted by DJT View Post
            Good stuff Julian. However, just to muddy the waters, my late 3rd sanction car (Mk1.5) has purple wires to the switch, two wires to the door switches and the Mk2 T-bar with two bulbs in the light fitting........
            Yep, I rather suspected this because, for some reason, I thought that the hand drawn diagram was only for very late cars - poss LD40000 onwards. I thought that maybe there was a hybrid setup and, from your comments, that sounds like the case.

            I presume that your's operates just like the 'early' cars system I showed ?

            I'm going away for a few days (in the Stag ) so if you reply, and I don't, I'm not being rude

            Cheers

            Julian

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              #7
              Originally posted by davidf View Post
              I have heard of cars being 'cut and shut', but having one side from a Mk1 and one side from a Mk2 involved some cunning welding

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                #8
                A very cunning old welders trick!!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by jleyton View Post
                  Yep, I rather suspected this because, for some reason, I thought that the hand drawn diagram was only for very late cars - poss LD40000 onwards. I thought that maybe there was a hybrid setup and, from your comments, that sounds like the case.

                  I presume that your's operates just like the 'early' cars system I showed ?

                  I'm going away for a few days (in the Stag ) so if you reply, and I don't, I'm not being rude

                  Cheers

                  Julian
                  I can confirm the late type diagram is exactly as I found it in our MK2 (LD30####), including the black wire as feed for the T-bar lights. That black wire does connect to a purple one in the connector at the bottom of the A-post though (purple from the battery changes to black towards the lights).

                  Filip
                  Lotus Esprit Turbo SE 'Emma'
                  Triumph Stag 'Blanche' work in progress

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                    #10
                    Colour blindness is a nuisance, I know as I suffer from various elements of confusion in that regard but I like Julian and many others no doubt am astounded that the sparks at BL could change from a purple lead to a black one on a live circuit half way through!
                    So, maybe it was a result of puple/black blindness.........
                    Mike

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                      #11
                      I could have done with this explanation a couple of weeks ago, took me ages to work out how it should all work and having to draw my own diagram.

                      Pete

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                        #12
                        I am putting the interior back together on mine at the moment so the timing is perfect for me
                        John

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                          #13
                          Thought I would have a go at the interior lights today after reading all this.
                          so got the switch wired up ok then went to the footwell lights , and found that the PO had cut the purple wire, so reconected it.
                          so thentried the lights ,piuddle lights go on/off as they should, when the doors are open/ shut,but the footwell lights stay on all the time , when I switch on the interor light switch the puddle lights come on and the footwell lights go dim.Not looked at the interior light on the tee bar yet. The car is a1974 mark 2 ,any ideas what the hell is going on guys???
                          regards
                          tony

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                            #14
                            Hi Tony,

                            I did say "if they become muddled up then all sorts of odd lighting permutations can occur !" and that goes for anything in the light wiring.

                            First thing is to determine which system you have - I expect your's will be the later system with single contacts at the door switches ?

                            If the PO has cut wires, then who knows what else he may have done ! If it is all wired up as per the diagrams above and, just as importantly, if all the connections are good, then it will work. It's easy to muddle up the purple/slate and purple/white wires for example so double check that exactly the right colours are on the back of the switch in exactly the places shown on the hand drawn diagram.

                            If you need to go right back to basics, you can follow the flow through - for example, does the black 12v feed wire up the B post really carry 12v ? Are you getting 12v at those roof bulbs and then continuity back down the purple/white and purple/orange wires from the other end of those roof bulbs back down to the main switch ?

                            I'd just say, carefully check everything as per diagram and I'm sure you'll get it sorted.

                            Good luck.

                            Cheers

                            Julian

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                              #15
                              Thanks for the reply Julian, yes it is the later type with the single wire from the door switch.The only light I have not checked is the light on the tee bar and I will also check the wiring going up the b-post.
                              In saying that if that is all thats wrong with it I Will be happy
                              regards

                              Tony

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