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    Flooding Stromberg

    My current stommies are "tired" so I opted for a set of Alan's looks good value at the price

    Carbs fitted yesterday, initially absolutely superb, balanced them perfectly, even before tuning the engine runs so much better than my old carbs which I cannot get below 8% CO.

    Then when checking CO (which needs the engine to run at idle for 8 minutes plus) the car faltered slightly after 7 mins of idle, a quick rev saw it ok, but the CO readings were all over the place. Got it so that after running at 2k rpm for about a minute and then letting it settle back to idle the CO reading was just over 4% for 30 seconds or so but then crept back up to 12% over the next 2 mins.

    Switched ignition off and removed both dash pots and pistons to check the needle lengths and to make sure nothing was amiss and on RH O/S carb, fuel squirted out of the jet hole for a second or two and then settled to a trickle for the next 5 mins. I removed the set and checked float height (17mm) and that the needle valve was working (I could suck on the fuel inlet and slick my tongue over it to hold a vacuum for 5 sec plus) Re assembled and fitted to the car.

    New pedestal o-ring had already swollen!!! ended up cutting and shutting the damn thing while setting up.

    After reinstalling I tried to start after cranking for 30 seconds or so and the rh carb (o/s) flooded badly, fuel flooding out of the vent pipe that goes via T back to the airbox, did it so bad that the airfilter box and both elbows had traces of raw fuel in them! I removed the breather pipes and with ignition on the fuel would come out at the RH vent tube on the elbow 2 seconds every 7 if you get my drift. So it would pump fuel for 2 seconds then be clear for 5 seconds then pump fuel for 2 etc

    No fuel came out of the overflow!

    The float floats, is flat side down, and 17mm from gasket face to bottom of float near the pivot, the needle valve closes and passes the vacuum test. It was then that I noticed....

    The bracket that holds the pin that the float hinges off, is fixed to the carb body in two places by the ally being pined over. On the RH carb it is not fixed on the pin that is closest to the needle valve. In theory this shouldn’t impact as I suspect the float and everything is pushing upwards but if the needle valve needs more effort to close than the mounting needs to move it could cause the float chamber to flood. Does that make sense?

    Before you suggest fuel pressure or contamination. Filter is clean and was fitted last year 400miles ago . The tank is spotless and I have had this current fuel pump for 4 years. Anyway the old set of carbs were refitted immediately after the major flooding incident and although running rich did not flood. With the system at pressure i.e. ignition on I lifted each dashpot piston and the barest whisper of fuel came out of the jet.

    Do you think maybe needle valve of should I attempt to fix the mounting to the carb body better?

    Richard
    Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

    #2
    I had similar problems on my rebuilt strommies. Intermittent flooding like you.

    Fitted a set of viton tipped needle valves, end of problem.
    Header tanks - you can't beat a bit of bling.

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      #3
      Cheers Wilf.

      I have pinned the float mount tight and reassembled. Both float valves are stamped 175 just like those mr ldpart sells. Are these likely to be the viton tipped jobbies?

      I am going to try again to tomorrow! Wish me luck

      Richard
      Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

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        #4
        When I last re-built my Stroms I used Viton valves and still got flooding - took them all apart again and spent ages getting the float heights aligned as in the wsm using a vernier. This worked but having got them running very nicely I took them off and went back to the Holley - just prefer it, it is fit and forget.
        Mike

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          #5
          I got similar issues with mine. Whilst it was having the MOT today (it passed) I noticed fuel dripping from the overflow pipe. The juice is expensive enough as it is without it leaking out on the road!! The garage did an emission test for me and the CO went from 3% when revved a bit to 6% whilst idling. Have ordered new needle valves (std ones) from LD and will see what happens.

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            #6
            Hi, I had the same problem and became an expert at taking off the carbs, checking float heights again and again, new float valves, standard and then viton. The engine seemed to be fine then 15 minutes or so, overflow leaking again.....

            I took up on a thread to fit a 'filter king fuel regulator' as the fuel pressure could of been an issue, well the only thing left but why as the pump was only 3 years old? Anyway, fitted the regulator and it's cured, also the engine runs smoother and pulls superbly through the rev range, I was surprised what a difference it made. 1 year on ant it's still perfect.

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              #7
              Just thinking on the outside of the box, if electric fuel pump fitted could be pumping too much fuel..believe stroms not want more than 2.5 psi and electric fuel pump can pump between 6-8 psi, if so fit a regulator .
              Trev

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                #8
                I have not checked the fuel pressure but a 40 year old set of strommies don't flood even though they are worn out.

                Going to refit recon jobbies tomorrow now that the float mount is secure and see what happens.

                Cheers

                Richard
                Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

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                  #9
                  all is good again in strommie world

                  fitted carbs back on, balanced a piece of cake, set mixture using the "lift piston and needle slightly" method and it runs sweet. I will fine tune it when the heavens are not opening up on me.

                  Just back from a 30mile drive round Chiltershire, car is noticeably more responsive than I ever remember it, lots of power coming in at 2500rpm, enough to spin up a back wheel on wet tarmac </hooligan>

                  No popping and farting on overrun, constant smooth power delivery from 2500 - 4500 (didn't go much higher as still only 500 miles on rebuilt engine) pulls happily in 4th from 1200rpm.

                  I probably will consider a pressure regulator and filter especially as needles and overflow onto hot exhausts are a known weak spot. Or am I overreacting?

                  What filter / regulator are you chaps using? do you install in engine bay beside wiper motor?

                  Anyway as is always the way with my Stag fix one thing and two things break;
                  1. Indicators no longer flash, getting 12v either side of the flasher unit so suspect it has got to that great Lucas tip in the sky.
                  2. Stitching that holds the rear window zip has broken on one corner


                  Cheers

                  Richard
                  Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

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                    #10
                    Got around to checking co readings tonight. My "choon by ear" method had it running 2.6% co, richened the mixture up to 4.5% and it is even sweeter.

                    Chuffed

                    Any of you guys using a fuel filter / regulator like this?



                    Cheers

                    Richard
                    Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

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                      #11
                      I have one of those fitted Richard, recommend it, much better than original

                      Bob

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                        #12
                        Have had similar problems to the above since I had my strombergs serviced about 6 months ago.Had never had any problems up to that point! but thought that the diaphragms probably needed replacing(which they did).At the same time had new Viton tipped float chamber valves fitted. Got home Ok but then on the next outing car stalled with ( you've guessed it) ,petrol pouring out of the overflow.Had to be rescued and car went back to the garage that had done the carb work.They reckoned it was down to dirt coming through from the tank. Cleaned float chambers, new set of valves fitted "in case" and a further in line filter fitted too. All well for while ,then had similar incident,rescued again!!,this time taking it to local garage that specialises in fuel injection/carbs.They were once again stripped and rebuilt- some sediment to in flat chambers. I then decided to eliminate some variables and took the tank off, inspected inside- of course you can't see the "roof" which is where any rust will form, however the floor of the tank did have some v small "pitted" areas.I treated the tank with "Rustbuster" "slosh" treatment which cleans then coats with a "resin-like" coating.Started her up and hey presto after a few minutes stalled with petrol again dripping out of the O/S carb overflow.
                        I suppose the only positive thing is that I m obviously not alone!!
                        The consensus seems to be that the petrol pump may be over pressurising the float chamber valves?However if this is the case why hasn't it been an ongoing problem?
                        I don't want to resort to a "Stag Weber" conversion ?holley, but reliable it is not at the moment!
                        Comments gratefully received!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RupertR View Post
                          Comments gratefully received!!
                          Do you still have the original points type fuel pump or an aftermarket 'electronic' one? I have read that the latter type do put out too high a pressure.

                          Keith

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                            #14
                            Always worth replacing the rubber fuel pipe unless you know its relatively new. Bits of rubber can come adrift inside if the pipe is perished and then get trapped in your float valve. The pipe can look in good condition on the outside but if its old there may be a very different story inside. Obviously this only applies to hose on the carb side of any filters.,

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                              #15
                              Thanks Keith and Ian,don't really want a radical change but think a Weber might be best option in terms of reliability-is there anyone out there who has gone the"Stag Weber" route?

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