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    Can anyone explain the Stag fuel pipes to me ?

    If we follow the line from the back of the car to the front there is a metal outlet on the tank which goes into a rubber connection to a plastic pipe up to the pump. From there a plastic pipe comes across and out of the boot to go into a rubber connector into the main metal pipe under the car. At the front, this goes into another rubber connector and into a plastic pipe that goes the short distance up to the filter via a 90 degree rubber connector.

    From there on, it gets even more complicated. A rubber pipe comes across from the filter above the cam cover and then onto a T piece. A rubber pipe from the T piece feeds the left hand carburettor and another rubber pipe heads towards the right hand carburettor. But does it go straight onto the carburettor ? Nah, don’t be silly ! It connects to a short section of metal pipe which then connect to a rubber 90 degree elbow that then goes onto the carburettor – phew !!

    And all of that doesn’t even mention the assorted clips etc and even the fact that some connections don't seem to even have a clip

    I can’t help but think that it is all unnecessarily complicated – for example, why not just have one pipe from the filter to the T piece with rubber pipes from the T piece directly to both carburettors ?

    So, why am I asking ? Well, I noticed that my underbonnet rubber pipes were beginning to perish after just 3½ years and 12,000 miles and so decided to renew things. The pipe that came from Robsport was marked 5.6mm, whereas the one I took off was marked ¼”. Ok, not a lot of difference but it was damned hard to get it onto the new fuel filter – Oh, that, according to Peter at LD has a ¼” inlet, but a 5/16” outlet. Oh and I'm not even sure where one of the pipes goes It's a: “Straight reducer connector, not original but 2 1/2 inches long as original. Also 153300 Connects T piece 157892 to carburettors. 1/4 ID one end and 3/16 ID the other.
    Note - Externally this is parallel and does not have a central taper as the original type. The Outside Diameter is 1/2 inch so this needs noting if buying clips”

    And what’s with the three different colours/sizes of clips ?? Again, Peter says, of the various 3/8”, 7/16” and ½” clips, “This type of clip is designed to expand with underbonnet temperatures whilst maintaining the same clamping force” – surely there can’t be a lot of heat expansion on such a small item ?

    Well, at the end of this all, my question is, what ID and OD pipes have people used on theirs and have they fitted easily onto the fuel filter and carburettors and have people done it exactly as per the ROM ?

    Cheers

    Julian

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      #3
      As well as the ID, OD, ROM, why a pm?

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        #4
        I had something to say to Julian.......

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          #5
          I fully sympathise Julian. I had the same predicament. The pipes and hoses I bought as a set from RB turned out to be different sizes to the ones fitted (which looked pretty much original). I also found that that metal tube wasn't needed and also wasn't on my original set up. Seral bits were left over and the story just goes on. I ended up just fitting it the best I could. One point I did püonder on for a few milliseconds was the difference in diameter of some of the pipes which seemed to indicate that the larger diameter goes as far as two carbs are being supplied and the smaller diameter would be for the second carb. This seemed to have a background based on bar-room reasoning so I was going down that route until I found out that the bits I had just didn't follow that logic at all.

          I think I'd tend to just set it up the way that works best for you and then take off the filter after a few hundred miles to see if anything is chafing, pulling off an elbow or being stretched etc. I did use more clips than seems to be the standard and most supplied also didn't tie up to the pipes and tubes so the hardware drawer had to be plundered.

          Cheers

          Drew
          The answer isn't 42, it's 1/137

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            #6
            Mine also has a second metal pipe along the underfloor for the emissions stuff. Just replaced the plastic bits in the boot with new pipe from Flebay. I'm guessing that in the '60's plastic wasn't allowed under the car...............It does seem to go plastic rubber metal plastic rubber filter rubber.......though

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              #7
              Hi Drew,

              Thanks for your reply - it's very encouraging to hear that I'm not the only one confused by it all ! At least I'm not going completely mad

              To add to the confusion, I've now seen that Wards sell 'Reinforced rubber fuel hose used for filter - carbs' with a ¼” ID and a 'Reinforced rubber fuel hose used for main fuel line to filter and filter to carbs' with a 5/16” ID .

              Cheers

              Julian

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                #8
                Good morning Julian, if some one of your experience is confused, I have no chance, I was checking my stag over as its going into a garage Tuesday to hopefully sort engine noises and coolant being spat out of the expansion tank, whilst doing this petrol started spraying out of the join against the bulkhead where metal pipe ends and plastic pipe to the filter begins, so I need to find a piece of rubber fuel hose to connect the two pipes, would it matter if I use metric size pipe as a temporary measure, I will get the garage to fit correct hoses whilst its there.
                cheers
                Drew

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                  #9
                  Hi Drew,

                  Thanks for your comment, but nobody is ever too experienced to learn

                  The connector (144938) that you're talking about is one where, to my mind bizarrely, there was never a clip from new and the rubber connector simply pushed onto the metal pipe and onto the plastic pipe up to the carb (as you may be able to see in the diagram).

                  As (the other) Drew has said, I've ended up fitting it as best as I can and used more clips than originally. In your case, provided you can get a (metric) pipe to fit snugly over the metal pipe I can't see a worry, although I would definitely advocate fitting retaining clips (unlike from new) to both ends. Whether the sprung clips (which are reported to expand with heat but maintain their clamping force) are any better than a proper Jubilee clip, I have my doubts. Throughout my car I have used, exclusively, GENUINE Jubilee clips and avoided any of the cheaper varieties.

                  Good luck.

                  Cheers

                  Julian

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                    #10
                    Thanks Julian, yes we never stop learning, but I have a lot of catching up to do, I did look at the diagram on Rimmers website but not enough time to order and fit, I just need to make it leak free and safe to drive 12 miles to garage, so I am now off to get it sorted one way or another.
                    all the best
                    Drew

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