Saved from the Bog Butchers

[pagan]

Hi all
I thought i'd start a new thread related to my recent acquisition, A 1977 MK2 Stag manual O/D
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It is a nice old beast, runs well, no major rust, some just started and looked like someone started to bog over it....
I did run around with a magnet on 3 separate visits before I bought it, so I did have an idea if some metal had been patched.
On the last visit I did see the owner driving around so was able to see/hear the car. ie no smoke or funny noises. PS he didn't know.

I was able to give it a good check over, on car ramps also.
My thoughts were someone has put a lot a work into restoring it, a fair while ago.

Since I've got the car I've been looking for nasty business ie the rebuild butchers.
I have to admit, I think I might have got it in time.

As for the rust bogged, one place A pillar, sussed it with the magnet.

Next day after getting it home, screwdriver, hammer to chip out the bog, and steel wool behind it
Any other, seems surface rust and has been ground back.

Good things I've found, are suspension rubber look to be Polyurethane ones, Petrol Tank still has "Rimmer" sticker on it, fuel pump looks new.
under the Dash, the wiring is labeled(unfortunately some of the ink has faded away.

Untidy?? I just pulled it out looking for white/pink for installing car radio.

The cars registered still, but have been checking it over.
Only oil leak seemed to be the rear of the rocker cover, tightened up rocker cover, no leak.

Hmmm cars sits in one place in the garage, and no oil on the floor..........
I even got an oil drip tray ready.

I won't mention the soft top.

[malc4d]

looks like a nice car. Welcome to the fun that is Stag ownership......You will get a lot of help here.
Is bog in Aussi English same as bodge in English ?? It took me a while to get that a globe downunder is a light bulb......

[pagan]

A question on the Triumph Stag wiring loom.

Does the Stag loom have a central power stud behind the dash somewhere?
I know the Rover SD's and TR7's have an isolated stud bolted to the body behind the dash.
As a central point for power from the battery.

Allan

[pagan]

looks like a nice car. Welcome to the fun that is Stag ownership......You will get a lot of help here.
Is bog in Aussi English same as bodge in English ?? It took me a while to get that a globe downunder is a light bulb......

As for English expression
to Bodge a repair ie "Generally, to bodge is to repair hastily and without care of durability or aesthetics or perfection"

Bogged repair down under...
Body filler ie nickki http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Upol-Top-...-/261191196901

Should be used to fill gaps after welding..
Some people pack the back of a rust hole with steel wool, so the "bog" has something to stick too.

Allan

[Westfaling]

Allan
In answer to your question the main power feed from the battery goes to a post near the drivers left foot rest.
Regards
Nick

[pagan]

Allan
In answer to your question the main power feed from the battery goes to a post near the drivers left foot rest.
Regards
Nick

Thanks Nick

Just had a look... no luck yet.
I gather it would be bolted to the bulkhead/firewall, a fair way up under the dash?
Allan

[jleyton]

Allan
In answer to your question the main power feed from the battery goes to a post near the drivers left foot rest.
Regards
Nick

Only on a Mk1, not on a Mk 2

Don't waste too long searching - if yours is 77 then it'll be a Mk2


Cheers

Julian

[pagan]

Another pic

I have a "Black Monolith" under the bonnet...

Just the way the pic came out..
looks like it's been photo shopped.

Ps
I don't know what car the brake master is off?

[pagan]

Julian thanks
I could see a far way up the firewall, and no luck.
Mine is a MK2, so that explains it.

Pity, I liked the isolated junction stud.
Very useful for picking up power for other devices.
Just used to pick the power from there and run them through a fuse.

Anywhere else to pickup battery power inside the car as I prefer not to run off the power wire that goes to the ignition switch.

Allan

PS tip
When down at the local car wreckers, ask them if the have and old knackered wiring loom.
Something thats not good for sale, ie burn't/fraid/connectors NG, some burn't wires
Mine being a Triumph Stag, anything from a 2500, TR7 or even Rover would do.

Being that they'll send it to scrape/recycling, it should be very cheap.
The colour coded wires are very useful.

[jleyton]

Julian thanks
I could see a far way up the firewall, and no luck.
Mine is a MK2, so that explains it.

Pity, I liked the isolated junction stud.
Very useful for picking up power for other devices.
Just used to pick the power from there and run them through a fuse.

Anywhere else to pickup battery power inside the car as I prefer not to run off the power wire that goes to the ignition switch.

Allan

Hi Allan,

Yep it was handy, until the insulation between it and the body deteriorated or got damaged .

As for feed inside, the best place, I reckon, would be the fuse box. There are one or more fuseways that are not used, depending upon model, and that could give you the advantage of being able to use that fuse. However, offhand, I don't recollect whether the unused ones are battery controlled or ignition controlled.

Forgive me if this is 'teaching grandmother to suck eggs' but as you describe your car as a recent acquisition you may not know that the fusebox and all the terminals are easily accessible once the passenger parcel shelf is removed and this is just fixed by three or four screws.

Have you got access to a wiring diagram ?

Cheers

Julian

Ps this is what you should see:

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Pps 'Bog' tends to have an entirely different meaning over here

[Westfaling]

Apologies didn't realise Mk2s were missing the post. Only fuse 1-2 (right hand one in picture above) is battery powered the rest are ignition controlled .. at least on my car.

The fuse at the other end 23-24 might be free if yours is an auto. It doesn't look like you've got A/C so 9-10 will be free.
Nick

[pagan]

Hi Allan,

Yep it was handy, until the insulation between it and the body deteriorated or got damaged .

As for feed inside, the best place, I reckon, would be the fuse box. There are one or more fuseways that are not used, depending upon model, and that could give you the advantage of being able to use that fuse. However, offhand, I don't recollect whether the unused ones are battery controlled or ignition controlled.

Forgive me if this is 'teaching grandmother to suck eggs' but as you describe your car as a recent acquisition you may not know that the fusebox and all the terminals are easily accessible once the passenger parcel shelf is removed and this is just fixed by three or four screws.

Have you got access to a wiring diagram ?

Cheers

Julian
Pps 'Bog' tends to have an entirely different meaning over here

Thanks Julian.
I've had TR7's, Rover 3500's, Old real Mini's, old Capri's First Stag

I had the passenger parcel shelf out a few days ago, I thought the fusebox was further up and didn't pursue further.
The soft top got me sidetracked, my fault, I'll suck the egg

I'll need to take the passenger parcel shelf and the center consul to clean up some wire runs and speaker wires, anyway so I'll see what it can find.
There should be a few brown wires around in there.

Allan
Ps I'm used to wiring diagrams.

[pagan]

Apologies didn't realise Mk2s were missing the post. Only fuse 1-2 (right hand one in picture above) is battery powered the rest are ignition controlled .. at least on my car.

The fuse at the other end 23-24 might be free if yours is an auto. It doesn't look like you've got A/C so 9-10 will be free.
Nick

Thanks anyway Nick
If the wiring loom changed between the MK1 and MK2, then that is/could be a notable production difference.
Would be interesting to see the 2 side by side.. out of the car.

The brown wire should be straight from main starter/battery, any of the other color(solid) are usually distributed of the brown at some point.
Or that's the way i've read the diagram.

So this will be for radio power, not ignition radio power ie WK, and only standby power for the radio. so low amps.

As for the other fusebox power,,, well headlights etc
My idea will be to put most high current usage circuit through relays anyway.

Allan


Allan

[jleyton]

I've had TR7's, Rover 3500's, Old real Mini's, old Capri's First Stag

Obviously a man of good taste, although saving the best to last

Just ask away on here for anything you need to know.

Cheers

Julian

[pagan]

Julian
Yeh English cars..... you thought I would have learn't by now
Have to admit though
Last one about 8 years ago, The TR7 I converted to TR7V8 was quick, a lot a fun, put it sidewards just thinking about it.
Nun of these are/were professional or restoration rebuilds, just usable, personally amusing everyday cars.

Has anyone seen this brake master cylinder before?
It does look new, maybe aftermarket or another vehicle swop.


Allan
ps I'm no expert, I do ooops just like everyone else.