High torque starter motor

[PBH]

Hi guys advice please, I am trying to fit a high torque starter motor bought from Rimmers 215111-2UR. It will only fit one way but the terminals are on the top face and impossible to see to connect after fitting from the underside . Is it correct as many of you must have fitted them , it is the right code and the picture matches the one on the website. it worries me making the connections before fitting should I not be worried, or should I go back to the original model type?.

Peter

[edd]

It took me a while to find it also . Two wires is all need , you tie up and isolate the red white wire that goes to the coil leaving one spade terminal that is tucked away within the black rear plastic shroud .
Mine is working great and I,m pleased with it .Try google images I do this for lots of things and it usually brings up a picture .
Edd

[Staggard]

I will probably now suffer a torrent of abuse, but I have always found the original starter perfectly adequate, Yep had the Stag click but a relay sorted that out. I don't see the point of the high torque starters as I don't think Stags are that hard to turn over they just sound like a spitfire starter (the world war 2 type) I know a couple of owners that have fitted them trying to cure the click but in vein. but like always a personal choice.

[marshman]

It took me a while to find it also . Two wires is all need , you tie up and isolate the red white wire that goes to the coil leaving one spade terminal that is tucked away within the black rear plastic shroud .
Mine is working great and I,m pleased with it .Try google images I do this for lots of things and it usually brings up a picture .
Edd

Without wishing to start yet another meandering thread about the merits or otherwise of ballested coils etc (oops too late) if you don't connect the wire to the coil then surely this will mean the coil will not get its designed voltage whilst the starter is turning the engine over, making it potentially more difficult to start, thus negating the supposed (note slightly cynical note about necessity of such things) benefits of the shiny new high torque starter.
Roger

[milothedog]

I will probably now suffer a torrent of abuse, but I have always found the original starter perfectly adequate, Yep had the Stag click but a relay sorted that out. I don't see the point of the high torque starters as I don't think Stags are that hard to turn over they just sound like a spitfire starter (the world war 2 type) I know a couple of owners that have fitted them trying to cure the click but in vein. but like always a personal choice.

Without wishing to start yet another meandering thread about the merits or otherwise of ballested coils etc (oops too late) if you don't connect the wire to the coil then surely this will mean the coil will not get its designed voltage whilst the starter is turning the engine over, making it potentially more difficult to start, thus negating the supposed (note slightly cynical note about necessity of such things) benefits of the shiny new high torque starter.
Roger

Agree with both replies, never seen the need to fit one, but as said each to their own

[marshman]

I will probably now suffer a torrent of abuse, but I have always found the original starter perfectly adequate, Yep had the Stag click but a relay sorted that out. I don't see the point of the high torque starters as I don't think Stags are that hard to turn over they just sound like a spitfire starter (the world war 2 type) I know a couple of owners that have fitted them trying to cure the click but in vein. but like always a personal choice.

+1

A well sorted stag engine should start pretty much 1st turn - mine does, well when it is cold it does and that is when it is hardest to turn over. And I have twin points, original type starter and a 5 year old battery. If it does not start easily there is usually something else wrong.
Roger

[mike@thenook]

i've got a H T starter and while it works really well I hate the Ford-like noise it makes - ghastly!

[tractorjames]

I've just had my old type starter in bits, cleaned and reassembled. Im going to stick with it. If it was a dirty diesel engine I would be temped to fit a gear reduction, hi torqure whatever you wish to call it starter because if your relying on good compression and a good whizz over to get it going (extra speed would come in handy for a worn engine) but I have never felt the need to get a petrol engine turning over any better. Id have thought if timing/carbs/12v boost to coil is up to scratch there would be no need.

By the way I've never heard of the 'ferguson click' fault when operating a starting handle :O Cant beat basic engineering

james

[Staggard]

I've just had my old type starter in bits, cleaned and reassembled. Im going to stick with it. If it was a dirty diesel engine I would be temped to fit a gear reduction, hi torqure whatever you wish to call it starter because if your relying on good compression and a good whizz over to get it going (extra speed would come in handy for a worn engine) but I have never felt the need to get a petrol engine turning over any better. Id have thought if timing/carbs/12v boost to coil is up to scratch there would be no need.

By the way I've never heard of the 'ferguson click' fault when operating a starting handle :O Cant beat basic engineering

james

What I have seen, and I am sure someone will put me right, it is the motor is geared down (less load) so the engine does not turn over any faster (slower if anything) its just the starter that spins faster. Being geared down great if you have 11 to 1 compression.

[tractorjames]

I always thought that that was the case, but I thought they were meant to give a higher output speed as well. I need to know now Googleing session on unless someone else knows the truth??

I have a feeling it will vary between starters as to weather the hi torque alternative is faster/slower than OEM equivalent???

I can sense this becoming another header tank :O

James

Edit: just found this, might be useful link to anyone in the market http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.u...1/category/225

[V Mad]

Hi torque alone means nothing unless it can maintain it at the required cranking speed. The rating that matters is horsepower, which is a product of torque and speed.

Apart from the odd click nothing effect, which is curable, I have never found the original stag motor lacking.

[jakesmig]

Does the speed of turnover matter? Not if the engine starts it's not.

[Staggard]

Personally I have found that engine's that spin over faster start quicker. Personal experience only and no Googleing was harmed by this post

[edd]

• Approximately twice as powerful as the original. Consequently, they run faster and start the engine more easily.
• They draw about half the current of an original starter putting less strain on the battery and electrical system of the vehicle.
• Weight can be reduced up to 50% from conventional starters.
• The starters are usually smaller and easier to fit than the standard starter motors.
• Increased reliability due to use of modern materials and components.

But apart from that why bother

Maybe a slight bit of gooooggllling

[PBH]

Edd and everyone thanks for the replies but specifically Edd did you find the wiring to be on the top , blind side that means you have to connect it before fitting.
Peter