Boot area.

[Jeff]

How have any of you fitted out the boot area?

Any standard/non standard designs? Any pictures please?

A job on my list and would like some ideas.

Jeff.

[Andrew S]

Turn the spare wheel upside down and put a large Quality Street tin in the void and fill it with all the breakdown bits you can, gloves, ties, points etc in case the electronic ignition packs up. Tow rope, Hi viz, it will all fit in there under the boards and leaves your boot empty Also, I put 2 500ml plastic coke bottles with oil behind the trim next to the fuel pump

[mjheathcote]

Thought about a space saver, with a bolt on hub adapter, to have a lower boot floor/under floor storage shelf.
On the list of many future mods!

[Seaking]

made some boot boards then cut it so I can keep 1/2 Gallon of Vr 1 plus up to a litre of dexron 2 for gearbox.

Cheers Glenn

[mick the stagger]

You really should use a heros container, they are plastic and wont rust like the rest of the car!
(written in jest)
Mick.

[Motorsport Micky]

Thought about a space saver, with a bolt on hub adapter, to have a lower boot floor/under floor storage shelf.
On the list of many future mods!

DON'T think about a space saver.

The only people or organisations who can decide whether a non standard wheel and tyre is technically acceptable is the original manufacturer. For example there are some new car models (Mercedes comes to mind) who have different sized wheels and tyres (width anyway) on the rear to the front, yet they only supply one spare wheel and tyre meaning that when you have a puncture and fit that spare you break Construction and Use regulations which says (paraphrasing ) the car will be fitted with the same size wheels and tyres across an axle. These manufactures receive a derogation (get out of jail card) which says "we realise that the wheel and tyres are different sizes but because you have declared it, tested it, declared Type Approval on it, and stand by your technical expertise and most importantly underwrite it with insurance you can use it.

Mercedes and other the other new car manufacturers who specify and supply a different sized space saver wheel and tyre have included this in their new vehicle Type approval description which has to include and have specified EVERY change to the original vehicle technical spec (engines, gearboxes, exhaust systems (that different engine scenario) wheels and tyres specs, brakes etc) and each change to the vehicle spec requires an inspection by the type approval registration board, logging and monies exchanging hands (it's costly...thousands).

Every change to that spec not type approved by the manufacturer is not ratified and any modification to that vehicle becomes the responsibility of the modifier to pick up the change in type approval in the circumstances that a non approved change kills somebody, wheels ,brakes, tyres etc, they have their products tested and take out insurance in case the worst happens. Now a Triumph Stag never had to be Type approved hence it's original tyre equipment is as specified in the original equipment, a change in tyre or wheel size is allowed as long as the tyre meets it's speed requirements and load ratings. However if a non standard wheel and tyre carried as a spare is fitted, even if it's rolling radius and load ratio is ok , it's exactly that, a non standard wheel and tyre. It's not a space saver because your fitter at the tyre shop suggests that it's size, weight carrying capacity is ok, he can't award it that description, it's out of his paygrade, it's a non standard wheel and tyre which means...it contravenes Construction and Use regulations. It will land you in court, it's the same as building your own car from scrapyard bits and only having brakes to the rear axle, it contravenes Construction and Use regulations.

It's about now that somebody says "I know Joe Bloggs etc whose done this and that and he's never been pulled, "gave a lift to a policeman" his father owns Fasttyre Company etc who says it's ok, ...it isn't. I spent the last 15 years of my working life specifying Trucks and working my way around (where possible) the ramifications and restrictions of non standard equipment including bodywork to Type approval specification whilst still complying with the all encompassing requirements of Construction and Use Regulations. Carry a full size spare and tyre that matches those fitted to your car.

Micky

[jakesmig]

So anyone fitting 15" minilites is in the sh 1 t then? And presumably any car old enough to have been manufactured with crossply tyres shouldn't be fitted with radial? What happens if your original fit pads were Ferrodo and you have Mintex of EBC fitted? Header tank, electronic ignition, electric fans, the list of normal modifications not covered by Type Approval is endless.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I do take Mickeys point and agree it is a minefield not to be taken lightly.

[Bob Heritage]

How have any of you fitted out the boot area?

Any standard/non standard designs? Any pictures please?

A job on my list and would like some ideas.

Jeff.

Watch this space -- TDM is going to have a model train in his

[Guest]

I don't carry a spare wheel, just a can of stuff? Anyway, this leaves that area free for spares, I'm going to make a hinged flap,in the left hand board for easier access.

Befiore people jump on the ole, ooh you need to carry a spare! My last 2 modern cars haven't come with spares either. I know one day I'll need one but I ive had one puncture in 27 years! I'll probably get loads now!!

[new to this]

So anyone fitting 15" minilites is in the sh 1 t then? And presumably any car old enough to have been manufactured with crossply tyres shouldn't be fitted with radial? What happens if your original fit pads were Ferrodo and you have Mintex of EBC fitted? Header tank, electronic ignition, electric fans, the list of normal modifications not covered by Type Approval is endless.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I do take Mickeys point and agree it is a minefield not to be taken lightly.

will a 15" wheel fit in the boot well ?

[Motorsport Micky]

So anyone fitting 15" minilites is in the sh 1 t then? And presumably any car old enough to have been manufactured with crossply tyres shouldn't be fitted with radial? What happens if your original fit pads were Ferrodo and you have Mintex of EBC fitted? Header tank, electronic ignition, electric fans, the list of normal modifications not covered by Type Approval is endless.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I do take Mickeys point and agree it is a minefield not to be taken lightly.

Nope, refer you to my paragraph which says

"Every change to that spec not type approved by the manufacturer is not ratified and any modification to that vehicle becomes the responsibility of the modifier to pick up the change in type approval in the circumstances that a non approved change kills somebody, wheels ,brakes, tyres etc, they have their products tested and take out insurance in case the worst happens. "

All the different products you mention (wheels, brakes fans etc )are cross referenced and covered by their own product liability, but in the case outlined above regarding a space saver...

So the manufacturer of the Minilite replicas tests his wheels and has his own Type approval (manufacturing spec) to comply with meaning they comply to weight carrying, quality etc he then insures them against product liability and markets them to the various organisations who buy wheels and sell to the public. You buy them and fit to your car being satisfied that they will carry the weight and are of merchantable quality, and the same sort of cross referenced liability happens with almost all aftermarket fitted products...no problem. However (always one) as also pointed out any fitment of a different wheel and tyre to those 15" Minilites becomes then a non standard wheel (it isn't a space saver Triumph hasn't approved one) which doesn't meet Construction and Use regulations, a different wheel size and tyre spec across the same axle.

You of course have to declare the modification to your insurers of whatever wheels you are fitting non standard, but whether they will accept a Mondeo space saver and tyre (example: if that is your choice) after you declare to them it DOESN'T meet Construction and Use regulations in my opinion is unlikely.

That's where it comes back to, Construction and Use regulations.

Micky

[KOY 23]

Dave, yes.

[mjheathcote]

Nope, refer you to my paragraph which says

"Every change to that spec not type approved by the manufacturer is not ratified and any modification to that vehicle becomes the responsibility of the modifier to pick up the change in type approval in the circumstances that a non approved change kills somebody, wheels ,brakes, tyres etc, they have their products tested and take out insurance in case the worst happens. "

All the different products you mention (wheels, brakes fans etc )are cross referenced and covered by their own product liability, but in the case outlined above regarding a space saver...

So the manufacturer of the Minilite replicas tests his wheels and has his own Type approval (manufacturing spec) to comply with meaning they comply to weight carrying, quality etc he then insures them against product liability and markets them to the various organisations who buy wheels and sell to the public. You buy them and fit to your car being satisfied that they will carry the weight and are of merchantable quality, and the same sort of cross referenced liability happens with almost all aftermarket fitted products...no problem. However (always one) as also pointed out any fitment of a different wheel and tyre to those 15" Minilites becomes then a non standard wheel (it isn't a space saver Triumph hasn't approved one) which doesn't meet Construction and Use regulations, a different wheel size and tyre spec across the same axle.

You of course have to declare the modification to your insurers of whatever wheels you are fitting non standard, but whether they will accept a Mondeo space saver and tyre (example: if that is your choice) after you declare to them it DOESN'T meet Construction and Use regulations in my opinion is unlikely.

That's where it comes back to, Construction and Use regulations.

Micky

Interesting.
What is your thoughts on the modified parts you can buy from say Monarch, their brakes, suspension even complete rear BMW back end, who only sell with a 'signed disclaimer'?

[Pete]

will a 15" wheel fit in the boot well ?

If the overall size is the same it should be OK for diameter/circumference, but maybe the depth would be different.

[Motorsport Micky]

Just a blind, you aren't allowed to sign away your life by your acceptance of a process or product that you buy.

The firm selling it always has responsibility for ensuring it's made and complies with product liability. If a firms product failed in use they could use the signed document to confirm that they had brought whatever possible shortcomings there were to your attention and you didn't object, and that may have a bearing upon any damages issued. But just as when you attend a Motor Race circuit, they have tickets with Motor Racing is dangerous printed upon the rear, it won't protect the circuit or individuals racing if the worst happens.

Micky