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    I can smell petrol

    Occasionally when driving the car, hood down, I get a slight whiff of petrol, however, after a small run then parking in the garage, if I return to the garage ten minutes later there is a really strong smell of petrol. As of yet, I can't really determine the origin of the smell, it's doesn't seem to be stronger in any one place.

    I've read numerous posts in the forum and checked a few things so far, and still have lots more to do, however there's a couple of questions and discoveries I'd like to share.....

    For some reason, the vent line from the top of the filler pipe that runs to a filter and out the bottom, has been blanked with a screw in the rubber elbow at the top....why this has been done is anybody's guess. The pipe next to the sender unit is (correctly) plugged with a bolt, maybe a PO got confused? First job is to re-connect this because obviously without this the tank cannot draw air in to replace fuel going out. The tank hasn't collapse with the vacuum though so air must be getting in somewhere.

    The drain line from the filler cap is also disconnected, might have just fallen off but it won't reach to push the pipe back on! If the petrol cap seal isn't too good, this could be a source of the fumes, although that would make the boot stink and it doesn't.

    The car is difficult to start when hot, requiring several turns of the starter before it fires, also after standing for five or ten minutes the fuel filter empties itself, pointing to needle valve/float level problems, but there doesn't seem to be any fuel coming from the carb overflow pipe at the front of the engine after a short 'test' this morning. I have my suspicions that this is the cause of my problem and the carbs are overflowing with the petrol is in the line between filter and carbs (maybe syphoning a bit, sort of?) but it's evaporating before I get to check.

    It is the really strong smell in the garage after a few minutes without any evidence that is getting to me, that vanishes after a few hours. When I had a fuel leak from my Herald 13/60 (same strong smell) there was a puddle on the floor!

    The PO had recon carbs fitted a couple of years ago and the car seems to run fine but if anyone has had a similar experience, comments would be welcome.

    #2
    I prefer to call this perfume . I get this every time in the garage too. I think it's the hot engine causing some of the petrol in the carbs to vaporise. Judging by the time taken for the carbs to fill on a start after a couple of days, I don't think there's much left in the float chambers.

    Firtunately, I'm not getting any petrol smells when on the move, nor any hot starting problems. I hope someone more knowledgeable will be along soon.

    Jonno
    White 1976 build ("Mk2") only a few mods

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      #3
      You say...... 'If the petrol cap seal isn't too good, this could be a source of the fumes, although that would make the boot stink and it doesn't'.

      I don't agree as the filler is on the outside of the car so shouldn't make the boot smell.

      Mine has started to smell in the boot area and I have purchased a complete set of pipes from Robsport, still have to fit them.

      The drain one shouldn't have a bolt in it either.

      Jeff.
      I only do what the voices in my wife’s head tell me to do!

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        #4
        Originally posted by StagJonno View Post
        I prefer to call this perfume . I get this every time in the garage too. I think it's the hot engine causing some of the petrol in the carbs to vaporise. Judging by the time taken for the carbs to fill on a start after a couple of days, I don't think there's much left in the float chambers.

        Firtunately, I'm not getting any petrol smells when on the move, nor any hot starting problems. I hope someone more knowledgeable will be along soon.

        Jonno
        My stag is exactly the same as this. And again no hot start problems. When the engine is hot I am sure it's the heat from the engine making the carbs hot and the fuel is vaporising. I can sometimes see a bit of vapour coming from the carb overflow pipe. It's been doing this since I have had the car.
        Rob.

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          #5
          What I meant, Jeff, was that if fumes leaked past the filler cap they could, in theory then leak into the boot via the filler cap drain (which in my case is open to the boot at the moment) if you see what I mean? Slim chance really, because as you say the filler cap is outside the car and the cover or lid has a gap all around it. Clutching at straws..................................

          Anyway, going to have a good firkle this week, maybe order some new drain pipes, we shall see.

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            #6
            It is worth checking the 2 rubber vibration joints under the car. Mine I found were weeping a little and the front one in particular was dripping onto the exhaust pipe and quickly evaporated and could be smelt. Most of my petrol small has now gone following replacement.
            John H

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              #7
              Hi Newbie with first post here, I have been looking at Stags for sale for about 6 weeks and this seems to be a common problem. Mostly when I open the boot there is a strong smell of petrol. One car I test drove stank of petrol, it was so bad that we had to stop the test drive and put the hood up and then the fumes got sucked in with the windows open. I ended the test drive by driving with the windows up. Still it meant that I could concentrate on the various creaks, squeaks and groans from the car that I couldn't hear with the top down ��.
              Surprisingly there was no pool of petrol when we left the car running on the drive though.

              On other classics I have had this has been caused by rust holes in the top of the tank or by old fuel hoses degrading from the inside due to fuel with ethanol in it. One car had new hoses but the numpty previous owner hadn't fitted any hose clips and it petrol was weeping from the joins after the fuel pump.

              Are there any 'special' Stag places that I should check for the cause of the fuel smell?
              Chris
              Magenta Stag TV8 MOD

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                #8
                Originally posted by Carboy0 View Post
                Hi Newbie with first post here, I have been looking at Stags for sale for about 6 weeks and this seems to be a common problem. Mostly when I open the boot there is a strong smell of petrol. One car I test drove stank of petrol, it was so bad that we had to stop the test drive and put the hood up and then the fumes got sucked in with the windows open. I ended the test drive by driving with the windows up. Still it meant that I could concentrate on the various creaks, squeaks and groans from the car that I couldn't hear with the top down ��.
                Surprisingly there was no pool of petrol when we left the car running on the drive though.

                On other classics I have had this has been caused by rust holes in the top of the tank or by old fuel hoses degrading from the inside due to fuel with ethanol in it. One car had new hoses but the numpty previous owner hadn't fitted any hose clips and it petrol was weeping from the joins after the fuel pump.

                Are there any 'special' Stag places that I should check for the cause of the fuel smell?
                Hi, and welcome. The most frequent source of this is on top of the tank. The Stag tank was also used on some PI models, so there is a short stub pipe on top of the ink for the fuel return. This isn't needed on the Stag and should be capped off with a rubber bung. This often rots, leading to fuel spillage when the tank is full. Seal it with a short length of fuel pipe, a suitable bolt and two fuel clips.
                Dave
                1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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                  #9
                  I had a petrol smell in the boot that was traced back to the plastic vent pipe that exits under the boot floor having degraded to the extent that it no longer protruded through the floor. I gave it a tug with a pair of pliers to try to gain a little extra length then had to remove the tank securing bolts so that I could move it aside to replace the plastic tube which had become detached from the metal pipe! Didn't even have to lift the tank right out to access the joint. Some sealant around the new extension (couldn't find a suitable grommet) and no more smell. hope yours proves to be as simple.
                  Chris
                  74 manual o/d, white with shadow blue. Datsun axles, Sierra HT.

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                    #10
                    Had this with all three carb types I've tried, fuel seems to sit in the inlet manifold after a run and the garage stinks, converting to fuel injection has finally sorted it.

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                      #11
                      As all of the above+ check fuel pipes are suitable for fuel with ethanol in it.
                      They seem to perish sooner and the smell of petrol can seep through,apparently.
                      I've got some SAE J30 R9 spec hoses on their way.
                      Ken.
                      ps. Stagdad
                      you will have changed to this spec of hose if you have ''injected'' it,but I also agree with your explanation.
                      Last edited by v8ken; 16 August 2016, 19:36.

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                        #12
                        Got mine sorted, fitted all the vent pipes in the boot ok but also found that I had a bit of dirt in the needle valve in the RH carb, causing it to overflow and hence the smell of petrol. Couldn't smell it whilst driving though, only when stopped, idling or after being left in the garage for a few minutes, guess that when driving the carb didn't overflow.

                        This has happened twice now, the first time I removed the carbs, cleaned everything out, took a few hours, then it did it again! The second time I just blew the fuel line and vent/overflow/drain lines through carefully with compressed air and that cleared out the dirt. So far so good.

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                          #13
                          Thanks guys, really helpful as it seems the boot based smell just needs some new fuel pipe, it will make a god bargaining point!

                          There are two suitable fuel pipe types SAE J30 R7 for low pressure carb cars and SAE J30 R9 for hi pressure EFi cars. The R7 is more flexible than the R9.
                          Chris
                          Magenta Stag TV8 MOD

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