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    Repairing Door Window Frames, what rivets?

    So first of all, Happy Christmas!

    I've taken the opportunity of a free couple of hours today to finally have a look at sorting our Stags window frames out so i can build the doors up. The cars been back on the road since August and the doors are still shells with locks (makes it a bit chilly this time of year!).

    So the stainless steel frames themselves are ok, but some of the mild steel brackets that are riveted to them were rusted through to the point they had fallen off.
    I managed to get a pair of ok window frames from the Stoneleigh spares day, but these don't have all their brackets.

    Basically between the two frames i have a full set of brackets, now my question is what fastenings should i use to fit the brackets back onto the frames?

    I have Dremeled off the rotten brackets today, and the original rivets are Brass. I was going to use pop rivets but i'm well aware that they will protrude into the window channel, which can't be good. And the head of the pop rivet gun won't fit in the window channel to go the other way. Any ideas?


    Secondly i've removed the quarter lights from the frames as the glass flopped around on the shaft. Ideally i need to remove the glass from its chrome frame to sort this, is this a sensible option? It looks like it would be a pain in the a**e to get the glass out!


    Anyway, have a good Christmas!
    Mat

    #2
    How about some proper copper or steel rivits and do the job the correct and old fashion way.
    Both are readily available.
    Phil

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      #3
      I’ve repaired a couple of quarter light shafts, the shaft and the bracket it attaches to are not made from the same material so they have to be silver soldered together. The bracket is attached to the frame by countersink 5/32 dia brass solid rivets. I use aluminium rivets as they are more readily available because I work in the aircraft industry. Bucking solid rivets is a bit of a dark art but I’m sure there would be a tutorial on YouTube. If you can’t get the rivets I can send you some.
      regards,
      Raoul

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        #4
        Thanks for the replys guys, Phil, thats exactly what i want to do, can you tell me a suitable supplier for the rivets? Also how to correctly fold the rivet over?

        Raoul i've been searching online for a suitable supplier for the brass quarterlight rivets, the only place i've found so far is this:



        They are in America and sell in boxes of 100 only.


        With regards to the main window frame, i measure the holes left from the rivets at just under 4mm, i am questioning now whether to use countersunk M3 machine screws with Nyloc nuts, a test fit has showed they leave enough clearance for the window rubber.
        I've been watching videos on youtube for solid rivets, i'm not sure that with such small rivets we'd be able to crush them within the frame well enough to pull the joints tight and make a repair that will survive vibration! Screws seem a safer bet.

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          #5
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          Phil

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            #6

            Ive used stainless steel pop rivets

            Dave

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              #7
              You can crush the tail using a hammer and a punch. The rule of thumb for the length of the rivet required is 1 1/2 Dia of the rivet protruding through the assembly prior to bucking the rivet so in this case 15/64". I use less than this so the formed tail is smaller to enable the glass and rubber to fit properly. Use a solid metal surface to rest the head of the rivet on so the head reacts against the surface when the tail of the rivet is struck. I think it would be useful if you had someone securely hold the frame while you formed the tail. Solid rivets swell in the hole of the assembly during the forming of the tail so there should be no play between the parts being riveted when finished.
              regards,
              Raoul

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                #8
                That does make sense Raoul, i think i'd have to make up a couple of formers then, and a suitable block to support the rivet within the frame (or drill a hole the opposite side from the rivet so i can gain access).

                Originally posted by new to this View Post

                Ive used stainless steel pop rivets

                Dave
                Any issues with them protruding into the windows slideway?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by RichardsonStag View Post
                  That does make sense Raoul, i think i'd have to make up a couple of formers then, and a suitable block to support the rivet within the frame (or drill a hole the opposite side from the rivet so i can gain access).



                  Any issues with them protruding into the windows slideway?
                  I did the same as Raoul tapped the end of the rivet to make it as flat as possible,

                  Dave

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