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    Hi Everyone,

    I am new on here, I live in Australia and have always loved this car and just managed to get my hands on a 1975 Australian built car, it has been recently restored with lots of new parts, however the paint was pretty poor so I have had the car re-sprayed in the original Stag white, most of the mechanicals seem to be in good working order however there I play in the steering column, the wheel moves up and down slightly and the play can be felt where the outer sleeve slides over the slightly smaller tube under the dash, not sure if I have explained this correctly but could do with some advice, should there be a bush or something where the tubes meet?

    I would appreciate some advice.

    Thanks in advance

    Tricky

    #2
    Hi and welcome!

    Lots of advice on the forum about column bushes, here is a breakdown of the parts. I think you may be referring to part 153040, which is a rubber grommet as in the attached. There's one at the top and one at the bottom.

    Here's another explanation



    HTH

    Jeff
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      #3
      Hi Jeff,
      Thanks for the information this now makes perfect sense, I will order the part (Rimmers?) and hopefully I can solve the problem.
      Tricky

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        #4
        Alternatively wrap insulating tape around the inner column to make it a good fit in the outer column.

        I did this as a bodge job on my first Stag about 7 years ago as it had failed the MOT test and the bushes didn't arrive in time for the re-test. The tape is still around the column, and the bushes are still in the cupboard as I have not needed them yet as no play has developed.

        I am probably going to have to do my second Stag before its MOT next year as a lot of play has developed recently, but at least I have a set of bushes ready this time (assuming they haven't perished in storage)!

        Neil
        Neil
        TV8, efi, fast road cams and home built manifolds. 246bhp 220lbft torque

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          #5
          Hi Tricky, There is also a bearing at the top of the column which I replaced when I rebuilt my steering column. It's not a huge job to rebuild the column.

          Danny, (currently on holiday in Perth WA)
          Last edited by Danny; 18 December 2018, 03:18. Reason: typo
          Danny 1972 STAG Mk1 TV8 Auto, 1967 SPITFIRE http://www.grampianstags.net
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            #6
            Welcome to Stag ownership Tricky. Glad to see another local on here - well fairly local, you are only about 1,500 miles away from us in the east coast, so close by Australian standards..
            I assume you mean yours is a genuine Australian import car? In Australia we are currently collating a register of Australian cars and we may or may not have a record/details of your car, please pm me if you like and we will place your car on the register, if its not already on there as I say.
            Danny, Flying farmer and Geoff have mentioned some great points above. I have recently changed the internal flexible bushes assuming that is your problem and there is a bit of skill involved. What worked for me is only using a lean oil as a lubricant (I used silicone oil) and make sure the tapered/pointy part of the bush protrudes out of the hole on the side where the clamp slides over that hole (you will know when you receive them) and the cylindrical part of the bush goes into the other hole where the clamp does not meet it . Check Jeff's photo above.
            Hard to know with what you describe as it could just be a loose adjuster clamp? More likely it is those bushes and while you are at it I would change the lower yellow plastic facing bearings as well. The upper bush was in excellent condition on my car and just needed some fresh grease.
            LD Parts seem to have the nicest looking 2 rubber/nylon bushes required so I would try and buy those and the yellow plastic facing bearings there.

            John
            Stag 2500S
            Jaguar STypeR Citroen C5

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              #7
              Welcome to the forum from a Stag owning Pom in Perth.
              I had up and down play in the steering column and replaced the bushes and bearings as mentioned above along with a new clamp at the top of the column (as sold by Tony Hart and others). It’s fine now.
              I’ve always found Peter Cooper (Cooper Triumph) in Bayswater helpful if you need someone to look at it.
              Ross. Perth WA.
              1976 TV8 BW65 Tahiti Blue

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                #8
                Hi STypeR,
                The car is an Australian built vehicle, I am happy to give you the details of the vehicle and would be interested to know if it is known, as a temporary member on here I cannot send you a PM, if you can give me you email address i will send you the details.

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                  #9
                  Welcome to the Forum Tricky, I'm writing this upside down so you can read it OK.

                  I refurbed my column a while ago, and it adjusts vertically and in and out nicely, however despite a new top roller bearings (tapered IIRC?), I could never get the bloody thing free of sideways movement. I tried one of those clamp rings with the poxy grub screw but it just wasn't man enough so I ended up carefully shimming out the gap between the bearing top and underside of the steering wheel (using sump plug washers as described on a similar topic thread), such that it provided just enough pressure to remove the play. I'm not happy with it but it is OK for now. Maybe I got sold a duff bearing but doubt it - quite perplexing to be honest!




                  Cheers



                  Mark

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                    #10
                    Mark. You may well already be aware of this, but you need to hold the inner column in its correct location when fitting the star washer,(or the ring with a grub screw) above the bearing. I do this by inserting a bar through the upper u/j in the column, and pulling it towards me with one hand, while tightening the washer/ring with the other two hands. That will ensure the taper roller bearing is properly adjusted.
                    Mike.

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                      #11
                      Yes, Mike, that’s the badger. … iI’s odd that the tapered roller bearings at the top of the column have no adjustable fixing but the Triumph engineers decided that the star washer was good enough and probably didn’t expect anyone to be still using the car 40 years later! I retensioned the star washer which did the job well for another 15,000 miles until I fitted the column I fully reconditioned this year and used one of the securing rings with three grub screws which works adequately.
                      Richard
                      Mabel is a white 1972 Mk1½, TV8, Mo/d.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mark Serj View Post
                        Welcome to the Forum Tricky, I'm writing this upside down so you can read it OK.

                        I refurbed my column a while ago, and it adjusts vertically and in and out nicely, however despite a new top roller bearings (tapered IIRC?), I could never get the bloody thing free of sideways movement. I tried one of those clamp rings with the poxy grub screw but it just wasn't man enough so I ended up carefully shimming out the gap between the bearing top and underside of the steering wheel (using sump plug washers as described on a similar topic thread), such that it provided just enough pressure to remove the play. I'm not happy with it but it is OK for now. Maybe I got sold a duff bearing but doubt it - quite perplexing to be honest!




                        Cheers



                        Mark
                        That's too funny but too true, we are definitely upside down here for sure!
                        The Brown snakes are pretty friendly however this time of year as they are too busy looking for a mate and you can cohabitate with the Red Back spiders in the toilet providing you don't shake things round too much in there..
                        Off to put some Kangaroo meat on the barbie for me, the kids are having kangaroo burgers and the Mrs prefers the kangaroo skewers with a bit of salad.

                        Cheers,


                        Stag 2500S
                        Jaguar STypeR Citroen C5

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lingen View Post
                          Mark. You may well already be aware of this, but you need to hold the inner column in its correct location when fitting the star washer,(or the ring with a grub screw) above the bearing. I do this by inserting a bar through the upper u/j in the column, and pulling it towards me with one hand, while tightening the washer/ring with the other two hands. That will ensure the taper roller bearing is properly adjusted.
                          Mike.
                          Thanks Lingen - I will definitely try that my friend

                          Regards

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                            #14
                            I found it a lot easier using a short tubular spacer over the top of the shaft, pressing down moderately firmly against the locking ring and using the steering wheel nut and washer to hold the assembly tight while tightening the grub screws. The spacer does not have to be particularly robust, I used a piece cut off an Ikea curtain pole. I should say that I used two lock rings and it's been solid ever since.
                            Dick R

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by dickr View Post
                              I found it a lot easier using a short tubular spacer over the top of the shaft, pressing down moderately firmly against the locking ring and using the steering wheel nut and washer to hold the assembly tight while tightening the grub screws. The spacer does not have to be particularly robust, I used a piece cut off an Ikea curtain pole. I should say that I used two lock rings and it's been solid ever since.
                              Dick R
                              I did the same using a peice of aluminium tube.

                              Danny
                              Danny 1972 STAG Mk1 TV8 Auto, 1967 SPITFIRE http://www.grampianstags.net
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