Kienzle clock types for different marks

[Graham.Fountain]

I've taken to repairing the broken clockwork Kienzle clocks, some of which were fitted to the Stags. And I wonder if I can get some help with identifying which is which and when the changeover came.

Just for background, I started doing this when the hands fell off the one in my 1973 Dolomite Sprint (number 2065 of the first 2000 only available in Mimosa yellow). I bought two off eBay, neither of which was any better, and decided I had to learn how to fix these myself. So I bought a few more of similar type and set about learning how and buying and making the special tools I needed - to get the bezels off without splitting them, etc. Then I had a box full of bits I didn't need and the ability to fix a fair percentage of these clocks. So I got some more to fix with the bits in the box. That box never seems to get emptier, though, and I keep buying more.

So I've just got burned selling a quartz clock converted to look like an early Doly Sprint one, which I thought was the same as the Mk1 Stag. However, it's 60/65mm diameter (hole/front), and I now know the Stags are 52/57mm or so. I have some of those, but of several types, some of which may be Range Rover, etc., and don't want to get burned again.

So if any off you have pictures of these clocks, especially as fitted, and an identification of what they are in/from, and would post here, that would be an immense help.

Also, if anyone has any broken clocks they want to sell, I would be interested.

Graham

[jbuckl]

Yep stag ones are smaller than other triumphs.
early sanction cars (sometimes called mk1) had pointed hands.
Later sanction cars (sometimes called mk2) had more rectangular hands, to suit speedo & Rev counter needles / hands.

in the closing years of replacement parts being made available, keinzle supplied a spare that I don’t think was ever fitted during production. It has a plastic body & aluminium bezel. As opposed to steel body & chrome bezel on production clocks.

be interesting to speak
regards
julian
O7908 103459

[dasadrew]

Some info here

https://www.socforum.com/forum/forum/stag-owners-club/soc-forum/840836-later-transistor-kienzle-clock-repair

I'll be putting this info together in the tech section as soon as someone sends me a Round Tuit

[sujitroy]

Were Kienzle clocks used in Mk1 Stags? My Feb and May Mk1 Fed. Stags have Smiths. I got them both fixed by a local US guy. It seems the guts of these clocks where used on Jags of the same period.
Unrelated, I got a VDO clock out on an late model MGB from a junk yard. I later found out that only MG's destined for USA, got VDO clocks.
Sujit

[Graham.Fountain]

Some info here

https://www.socforum.com/forum/forum/stag-owners-club/soc-forum/840836-later-transistor-kienzle-clock-repair

I'll be putting this info together in the tech section as soon as someone sends me a Round Tuit

I'll look forward to that. Pro temps, I've been to the linked thread and left a deposit.

[Graham.Fountain]

Oops, duplicate

[jbuckl]

Yep stag ones are smaller than other triumphs.
early sanction cars (sometimes called mk1) had pointed hands.
Later sanction cars (sometimes called mk2) had more rectangular hands, to suit speedo & Rev counter needles / hands.

in the closing years of replacement parts being made available, keinzle supplied a spare that I don’t think was ever fitted during production. It has a plastic body & aluminium bezel. As opposed to steel body & chrome bezel on production clocks.

be interesting to speak
regards
julian
O7908 103459

Thanks for the extra information Graham… still be interested to speak.
Julian

Heres another item from Kienzle 572B3378-B4C4-474E-AF1C-5EBC86DC3A18.jpg

Wont work on a stag for some reason though

[Graham.Fountain]

Thanks for the extra information Graham… still be interested to speak.
Julian

Heres another item from Kienzle 572B3378-B4C4-474E-AF1C-5EBC86DC3A18.jpg

Wont work on a stag for some reason though

Is that a key issue or a wind-up?

On the issue of the later replacement clocks, they may be Range Rover ones. But if fitted to a Stag do they become Strange Rover parts?

I have a quartz one of those I'm in the process of fitting with the face and bezel from what I think is a Stag clock. It needs a little finishing work, but it's nearly ready to go on eBay.
There's a few of these RR quartz clocks about, So if I could get a broken Stag clock that is BER, but has a good bezel, I could do this again.

IMG_20230323_154404.jpg

Graham

[Tonywhite]

Late mk2 stags did have clocks fitted with a plastic casing from my collection of original clocks I can see six different styles of clock.

[Graham.Fountain]

Late mk2 stags did have clocks fitted with a plastic casing from my collection of original clocks I can see six different styles of clock.

Any chance of pictures?

Graham

[Graham.Fountain]

And does the modified quartz clock look like any?

[jbuckl]

Yep stag ones are smaller than other triumphs.
early sanction cars (sometimes called mk1) had pointed hands.
Later sanction cars (sometimes called mk2) had more rectangular hands, to suit speedo & Rev counter needles / hands.

in the closing years of replacement parts being made available, keinzle supplied a spare that I don’t think was ever fitted during production. It has a plastic body & aluminium bezel. As opposed to steel body & chrome bezel on production clocks.

be interesting to speak
regards
julian
O7908 103459

Still interested to speak.

[Graham.Fountain]

Late mk2 stags did have clocks fitted with a plastic casing from my collection of original clocks I can see six different styles of clock.

Does that collection include any non-working ones that might be fixed?

How does one direct message to other members within this forum?

Graham

[jbuckl]

Does that collection include any non-working ones that might be fixed?

How does one direct message to other members within this forum?

Graham

The messaging begins working when (if) you join the Soc. (32 quid at the mo.)

Without that , have to rely on phoning.

[Graham.Fountain]

The messaging begins working when (if) you join the Soc. (32 quid at the mo.)

Without that , have to rely on phoning.

Thanks, Julian.

Graham