photo of springs for brake shoes?

[Dieter H. Marschall]

Please!!! Has anybody got photos of the pullback springs (upper and lower) for the rear brake shoes? Where and how they are hooked in? Thank you in advance!
Dieter - from Germany.

[Goldstar]

https://socforum.com/forum/forum/stag-owners-club/technical-section/running-gear/863299-rear-brake-components-correct-orientation-and-positioning

[Dieter H. Marschall]

Thank you! Especially Drew's picture is very helpful! Dieter.

[Lingen]

Could someone please post a picture of the correct long spring just above the wheel cylinder- the one with the folded back end that holds the adjuster ratchet in alignment. It seems that as it has not been available for a while, an alternative one is currently being randomly supplied which happens to fit, but which does not have the ratchet holder extension on the end. In my opinion this poses a real risk, because if the two components of the adjuster slip apart as a result of not being held in mesh as designed, the handbrake would release, and the foot brake travel could increase considerably. The consequences of either could be very serious. In my opinion.
Mike

[Dieter H. Marschall]

May I join Mike's appeal?
Dieter.

[MandM]

Could someone please post a picture of the correct long spring just above the wheel cylinder- the one with the folded back end that holds the adjuster ratchet in alignment. It seems that as it has not been available for a while, an alternative one is currently being randomly supplied which happens to fit, but which does not have the ratchet holder extension on the end. In my opinion this poses a real risk, because if the two components of the adjuster slip apart as a result of not being held in mesh as designed, the handbrake would release, and the foot brake travel could increase considerably. The consequences of either could be very serious. In my opinion.
Mike

is this what you are after?

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this is the spring that came on the car when I purchased it, I'm taking it that it is the correct one, but could be wrong

[richardthestag]

Could someone please post a picture of the correct long spring just above the wheel cylinder- the one with the folded back end that holds the adjuster ratchet in alignment. It seems that as it has not been available for a while, an alternative one is currently being randomly supplied which happens to fit, but which does not have the ratchet holder extension on the end. In my opinion this poses a real risk, because if the two components of the adjuster slip apart as a result of not being held in mesh as designed, the handbrake would release, and the foot brake travel could increase considerably. The consequences of either could be very serious. In my opinion.
Mike

I am with Mike on this 100% on

I do wonder though if the extended part of the spring tail is an anti rattle mechanism. the lower part of the adjuster should be held to the brake shoe by a circlip. i need to get one apart to see how much flexibility there is in the main part of the adjuster. By chance I have a set of new old stock shoes and adjusters at my workshop. will report back

[Lingen]

Richard.
Thanks for your support. I can't see it being an anti rattle feature as the handbrake lever would stop that happening. I agree that the pins should hold the toothed components in mesh, so it will be interesting to see if you think the larger one could be displaced if the pins were a bit slack. I think the spring end could be there for extra support.
I suspect Lockheed knew what they were doing, and I have definite misgivings about using the "Alternative" spring. I know one Stag garage that would refit an old one rather than use the wrong one. It is just too much of a risk for them to take.
Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for the correct ones to be available again.
Mike.

[Dieter H. Marschall]

EJ Ward does already sell these "original pattern" springs again (https://www.ejward.co.uk/triumph-sta...pring-r-h.html). The part number is 160016 and 160017.
Best wishes,
Dieter.

[Dieter H. Marschall]

Hello all,
Is there a chance of seeing more pictures of the springs arrangement?
Best wishes,
Dieter - from Germany.

[Dieter H. Marschall]

Hope dies last!

[FrenchStag]

Search for post « technical information brakes » of 1st May, there is a diagram & picture.

[richardthestag]

Richard.
Thanks for your support. I can't see it being an anti rattle feature as the handbrake lever would stop that happening. I agree that the pins should hold the toothed components in mesh, so it will be interesting to see if you think the larger one could be displaced if the pins were a bit slack. I think the spring end could be there for extra support.
I suspect Lockheed knew what they were doing, and I have definite misgivings about using the "Alternative" spring. I know one Stag garage that would refit an old one rather than use the wrong one. It is just too much of a risk for them to take.
Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for the correct ones to be available again.
Mike.

And further to your original statement I am "strongly" inclined to agree. On my new old stock shoe with adjuster fitted, I am able to push against the outside face of the lower / main pair of the adjuster and the teeth to the smaller component of the adjuster become detached and free, takes some effort on new adjusters and shoes but expect the spring also prevents this from happening. Not many stags are fitted with new adjusters

Attached is a ROM extract about accessing the adjuster through the drum and lifting the top part of the adjuster? anyone got a stag with the drum fitted but not the rear wheel to see if the bigger part of the adjuster can be pushed inwards to detach from the upper anchor??


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Could be that some cost cutting has made for a setup that could render the rear hydraulic and hand brakes inoperative.

The car will still stop because dual circuit and front callipers but still, this is just a stupid way to think.

If this can be proven to be a fail point, should SOC be contacting suppliers and classic car press to warn them?

And I have no doubt that someone will say just reuse the original is the new looks wrong, BUT what if the previous owner / mechanic / ham fisted gibbon didn't notice and now you have like for like.

In circles closer to my business a well known supplier sells a comprehensive rebuild kit for series 2 and 3 drum brakes on Land rovers, the springs are utterly useless, nobody listens because the market is so big that they get away with it. The huge difference is that those springs cannot fit and therefore will not add risk to the mechanical setup.

[richardthestag]

Hello all,
Is there a chance of seeing more pictures of the springs arrangement?
Best wishes,
Dieter - from Germany.

Not being funny Dieter but what is the issue? send us a diagram / picture of what you are trying to do and we might be able to comment. else the next pictures might need to include dancing girls or something.

The lower springs are handed for both handbrake linkage and adjuster, is that your issue?!?

[Dieter H. Marschall]

Hello all,
Thank you for your help! With the correct springs from EJ Ward (# 160016 and 160017) and the correct way to install all the springs, it works. The brake drum does not get hot any more.
Best wishes, Dieter - from Germany,