I have just read an article in a mag that says that it not be possible to buy cellulose paint or thinnersafter 31st December without a license as it will be banned for painting a vehicle unless it is a classic pre 1974.( they probably mean the tax cut off at end Dec.1972). We have mentioned this before that you can buy the paint if you want to paint a fridge with it etc. The thing is that no licenses have been issued and are not likely to be for about 7 months. So in theory you will not be able to buythe paintin the foreseeable future. This will probably not happen but unless you want to take that chance you have about 2 weeks to make your purchase for those D.I.Y. jobs.
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I thought it had been banned since 31st Dec 2006, most sprayers say good riddance as it was a bit of a pain to use as it reacted with everything and blisteredand wasnot as forgiving as two pack. The options are acrylic which I believe is fairly easy to use or two pack which needs more expertise and lacquering. I however, am no expert so stand tobe corrected!
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I don't know what magazine Bob was reading but there's an article in the current FBHVC Newsletter (no.6, page 3). It doesn't say that any paints have already been banned but says "DEFRA has taken the view that cost is already limiting the supply of non-compliant products (mainly cellulose) very effectively...."
It goes on tomention a consultation processforthe introduction of licences and says that responsesto the proposals are due in today, 12th December. It gives no date for implementation of the proposals but does say there's a possible route to avoid the need for a licence as paints for historic vehicles could be classified as "special finishes" and the "Volatile Organic Compound limit for the special finishes category is high enough to accommodate cellulose paint". I'll scan the whole article if anyone wants it.
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Suppliers still seem to stock it, especially if you'e already a customer ie you seem to know what your talking about.
Its just a lot more expensive about ÂŁ25/litre rather ÂŁ15 a year or so ago.
Isn't that typical of England- everything with some sort of 'environmental' tag doubles in price.
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Hi
I touched on the cellulose paint issue some time ago when I was fitting a front panel and unable to buy the paint ..I have since bought the paint and completed the job in fact I got enough paint to re spray the car .I got the paint thinners and primer off the net ,it was a firm called paint 4 u . they tell me that they shall be supplying cellulose for the foreseeable future.
As for the comment that cellulose is less forgiving than 2 pack I would have to disagree. I served my time as a panel beater and later took up paint spraying and in the 1980s I ran my own business restoring classic cars . In my opinion if you have perfect conditions ,a low bake oven an perfect extraction then 2 pack is the way to go if not then its got to be cellulose every time . Also there is the originality issue personally think that 2 pack looks good on new cars but on older cars it gives a false look. My stag is finished in 2 pack and I am in the process of re spraying it panel by panel in cellulose. I am doing the work in my garage at home if I attempted the job in 2 pack I would kill off half my neighbours
John
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Actually it was the original versions of two pack which were so toxic with cyanide. The modern ones are much less hazardous.
However, you should not breathe the fumes of any of them in. Buy yourself an air fed mask and charcoal filter for your air line and spray with safety.
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Somebody mentioned to me the other day about usingWATER based paint. Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous? I heard them out but it’s absolutely absurd. Don’t these people ever go out in the rain? The roads would be awash with red white and blue (and green) streaks as it came pouring off the cars. Makers of car washes and sponge manufacturers would go out of business. And they can’t have kids. That stuff gets everywhere but at least it washes off. Take a tip from me – if anyone tries to sell you that solution – give them a wide berth. In my opinion you’re better off using a Crayola.
(Edit)I'd better qualify this with a
in case anyone thinks I'm serious!
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There was quite a discussion on paints on all the forums in mid-late 2006 when the cellulose ban was supposed to be absolute by the end of that year. Then the "classic" loophole was allowed for. One thing I do remember was quite a technical article on the water-based paints. Apparently they are widely used and very durable, not for DIY as they require drying equipment, and the big negative was that they couldn't produce the deep sheen of cellulose.
Brian
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I believe all modern cars are painted with water based paints.
Altho' rather soft and easy to scratch, the (non-metallic) paint on my 7 year old Ford, is as good as new and hasn't let the rust in. The only thing to watch is that you should always wash off 'bird lime' straight away as it will burn thro' the paint.
Anyway, water based paint is OK if you have the infrastrucure ie steam cleasers, warm and dry paint booths, bake ovens etc. You don't just spray them on like a rattle can.
So clearly not very suitable for the DIYer.
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Gents,
Water based paints are only base coats, the colour coat of the vehicle and dry's matt. You have to apply a laquer over the top to give protection of the underlying paint and a sheen. Laquers contain solvents (thinners). water bourne paints as they are known need assistance to dry either by heat or a flow of air (fans). They are more tolerant of other paints that are already on vehicle (less risk of reaction). It is possibleto use water based paints providing you have sufficient through ventilation and keep sources of dust/dirt away as it takes quite along time to dry.
Terry..
PS- the paint wont wash off or away. The laquer protects!!
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