electric window and another problem

[martin]

My father used to own a a chain of tyre and exhaust fitters. We always hated stag wheels because we more often than not had to put this black goo around the inner rim of e tyre which meant that when the tyre went 'pop' as it seated itself it meant someone would get the stuff thrown at them. We rarely had to use it but the stag was the main 'enemy' even on clean wheels.

An easy way to check is lay the wheel and tyre on the floor. Fill to 40psi. Put bubble bath solution in the 'river' around the bead. Slowly let e pressure down via the valve point

Bubble Bath ? she'd kill me ! M.

[Stimpy]

Nice one.
Im doing that sort of thing now. Good reminder about the puddle lights

Ok - come on ! Fess up!!

Immediately after your post try and guess what happened.....


..


..


Ready?

Puddle light on the N/S door.

Now seeing as you made this claim and - surprise surprise - it is the very thing that has happened then the guilty party is - obviously - here.


Ok -scrapping the attempt at comedy....

Can someone guide me on this one? ANY OF THE GOOD 'LECKIES HERE? I'll tell you what I have done.

First of all - basic analysis:-
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fit fuse
open driver door - no issue - all ok.
Leave that door open
Go to passenger door.
Open it.
Other puddle light plus fuse desists

Part 2 - is it the bulb end, the door switch, or somewhere else?
Pull bulb out (by now I'm using a clamp and pointer bulb to test things)
With no bulb the fuse (number 1) still glows the pointer pen thing.


Part 3 - lay the seat flat and get a pillow.

Part 4 - slip down - upside down face up at bottom of glove compartment

Part 5 - With 'pen' clamped to the rear of the fuse nr 1 i poke about - i find a four point 'plug' assembly - I pull it apart. I touch the pen on each of the socket ends (obv the door is now isolated off) one of the sockets causes my pen to light - so I have found the guilty party. Sort of.

Part 6 - The annoying job of stripping off yards and yards of black tape to see where this cable is going - because as all the cables group they form a Y pattern (part of which I guess must be going through the fuse system).

Part 7 - With dust in my eyes and bare (plastic covered) cables above me - I find that it's a purple wire that is to blame and it appears to be going to within the 'stereo' area of the car - you know, the centre console area.

Part 8 - Log in to this site and type the above!

As a time reduction attempt (or T.R.A.) - can anyone offer me a good way to go forward?
At this stage I will end up unravelling all the looms from there black tape which I feel is a bit excessive.
Does what I mention above ring any bells or become obvious to a seasoned electrician (no insult to us learn as you work sorts!!)

Any help would be bloody fantastic.

Oh - and the relay has 'gone' as a result of all this. And I only just bought it.


Steve

[milothedog]

Ok - come on ! Fess up!!

Immediately after your post try and guess what happened.....


..


..


Ready?

Puddle light on the N/S door.

Now seeing as you made this claim and - surprise surprise - it is the very thing that has happened then the guilty party is - obviously - here.


Ok -scrapping the attempt at comedy....

Can someone guide me on this one? ANY OF THE GOOD 'LECKIES HERE? I'll tell you what I have done.

First of all - basic analysis:-
==================

fit fuse
open driver door - no issue - all ok.
Leave that door open
Go to passenger door.
Open it.
Other puddle light plus fuse desists

Part 2 - is it the bulb end, the door switch, or somewhere else?
Pull bulb out (by now I'm using a clamp and pointer bulb to test things)
With no bulb the fuse (number 1) still glows the pointer pen thing.


Part 3 - lay the seat flat and get a pillow.

Part 4 - slip down - upside down face up at bottom of glove compartment

Part 5 - With 'pen' clamped to the rear of the fuse nr 1 i poke about - i find a four point 'plug' assembly - I pull it apart. I touch the pen on each of the socket ends (obv the door is now isolated off) one of the sockets causes my pen to light - so I have found the guilty party. Sort of.

Part 6 - The annoying job of stripping off yards and yards of black tape to see where this cable is going - because as all the cables group they form a Y pattern (part of which I guess must be going through the fuse system).

Part 7 - With dust in my eyes and bare (plastic covered) cables above me - I find that it's a purple wire that is to blame and it appears to be going to within the 'stereo' area of the car - you know, the centre console area.

Part 8 - Log in to this site and type the above!

As a time reduction attempt (or T.R.A.) - can anyone offer me a good way to go forward?
At this stage I will end up unravelling all the looms from there black tape which I feel is a bit excessive.
Does what I mention above ring any bells or become obvious to a seasoned electrician (no insult to us learn as you work sorts!!)

Any help would be bloody fantastic.

Oh - and the relay has 'gone' as a result of all this. And I only just bought it.


Steve

Steve, I would check the wiring at the door switch and as it leaves the A post and enters the door first of all.

Ian.

[Stimpy]

Steve, I would check the wiring at the door switch and as it leaves the A post and enters the door first of all.

Ian.

Well - I pulled the block apart on the car side of the network. This is PRIOR to the door itself - imagine the door missing. As I touch the block terminal the 'shortage pen' lights up. God I hate wiring looms.

[Stimpy]

A fundamental question. Am I correct in saying that if i put a crocodile clip on fuse holder 1 (no fuse in place) and touched the other clamp on fuse 1 and the light in the 'pen' then that's a bad sign?

then....

If I clamp the crocodile on any earth and put the pointer in the (opened) connection block and touch each one of the 4 points then equally I should not see the pen glow?

I'm sort of stepping back a bit and doing diagrams and thinking - hence the simplistic question above

[Stimpy]

here's my simplistic diagram

[milothedog]

A fundamental question. Am I correct in saying that if i put a crocodile clip on fuse holder 1 (no fuse in place) and touched the other clamp on fuse 1 and the light in the 'pen' then that's a bad sign? If the door is open your test light acts as the fuse and it would come on, if it comes on with the door shut then you have a problem. (the fuse should blow as soon as you replace it in this case)

then....

If I clamp the crocodile on any earth and put the pointer in the (opened) connection block and touch each one of the 4 points then equally I should not see the pen glow? if the fuse is in place, yes.

I'm sort of stepping back a bit and doing diagrams and thinking - hence the simplistic question above

Steve, If I understand you correctly, see above. There are 2 different circuits for the interior lamps on a Stag I believe, there are switches with 2 wires and switches with 1 wire. you need to identify what you have and then work from the approperiate drawing.

Ian.

[jleyton]

There are 2 different circuits for the interior lamps on a Stag I believe, there are switches with 2 wires and switches with 1 wire. you need to identify what you have and then work from the approperiate drawing.

Ian.

Ian is quite right however there was never an official wiring diagram for the 1 wire switch arrangement (Ie The single black wire to the door switches that earthed when the door was opened).

Here are a couple of unofficial, but correct, diagrams for that (1 wire) system: - (not my work but from the tech pages)

Cheers

Julian

Interior light detail.jpg

[Stimpy]

Ta for the diagram and the help.

I have decided to re-wire the door completely.

Too late to test it - that's the 'cliffhanger' for tomorrow.

Some of the cables were semi melted so rewiring completely can't be a bad thing even if it is not the reason

Tomorrow I shall try it out/

[Stimpy]

Just a quirky.

Wouldn't it be easier not to have a relay at all? After all - it's to like powering 100w spots or anything

or

For each electric window button give it it's own relate switch and then go straight to the windows?


Option 2 would at least allow you to have a window working if the other has issues

[Stimpy]

I went out and bought 2 '5-pin relays'

Do you think that I can let the windows have their very own relay? Surely it's do-able

I've rewired the door lights (they were in a bad way) ask this goes to the fuse box. There are now 2 wires coming from the door - Is it not obvious that these are for the windows?

In which case if there is a wire each cable good go up or dow

Alternatively one of the cables could be earth and the single air does the up and dow.

It's driving me nuts because I have spent hours on the dam thing.

Can someone tall me before I find a tall building to hurl me off!! :

Cables and relays - jeesh)

Cheers

[Stimpy]

Actually - I'll start a new thread as this is specific issue