Form V112 Declaration of exemtion frm MOT.

[Kithmo]

If your car is unroadworthy, your insurance could be invalid and driving without insurance gets you 6 points on your licence and up to £1000 fine.

[Ritchie6]

If your car is unroadworthy, your insurance could be invalid and driving without insurance gets you 6 points on your licence and up to £1000 fine.

That's precisely the point I was trying to make. If it's not either put through an MOT or annual roadworthiness check you might not know it was unroadworthy.

Obviously this would mainly apply to other marques rather than Triumph Stags.

[Motorsport Micky]

[QUOTE=Ritchie6;n777077]

That's precisely the point I was trying to make. If it's not either put through an MOT or annual roadworthiness check you might not know it was unroadworthy.

...and that was precisely the point I was trying to make also. The day after your MOT or annual roadworthiness check you might be unroadworthy without knowing it, and using the car and be illegal... just EXACTLY as you could be doing NOW.
Your insurer can only turn down your claim if it is the contributory factor caused be your negligence in not maintaining your car, just exactly as they can now.
The MOT is no “ silver bullet”, but if by having one it comforts the owner then I accept it has it’s purpose.

Micky

[DJT]

[QUOTE=Motorsport Micky;n777080]

That's precisely the point I was trying to make. If it's not either put through an MOT or annual roadworthiness check you might not know it was unroadworthy.

...and that was precisely the point I was trying to make also. The day after your MOT or annual roadworthiness check you might be unroadworthy without knowing it, and using the car and be illegal... just EXACTLY as you could be doing NOW.
Your insurer can only turn down your claim if it is the contributory factor caused be your negligence in not maintaining your car, just exactly as they can now.
The MOT is no “ silver bullet”, but if by having one it comforts the owner then I accept it has it’s purpose.

Micky

Exactly the same could be said for a 3-year-old car the day after it’s first MOT. Or even a brand new car the day after it drives off the showroom floor. It sounds to me if you want to abolish MOTs for all cars on that basis......

[Markvh]

So, how do things stand if one continues to MOT the car annually, yet the Stag runs around on 195x70 tyres or even 205 tyres or 15 inch wheels (as a lot of us do)? You've informed the insurance company/broker about the tyres/wheels and you have an accident with very serious consequences. I wonder if the Insurers will pay up or use the non standard tyres as an excuse not to? May be the same as they may not pay up if the car doesn't have an MOT (because exempt) or the car passed an MOT the day before the serious accident but something is found not to be MOT roadworthy the day after passing it's MOT.

[Goldstar]

So, how do things stand if one continues to MOT the car annually, yet the Stag runs around on 195x70 tyres or even 205 tyres or 15 inch wheels (as a lot of us do)? You've informed the insurance company/broker about the tyres/wheels and you have an accident with very serious consequences. I wonder if the Insurers will pay up or use the non standard tyres as an excuse not to? May be the same as they may not pay up if the car doesn't have an MOT (because exempt) or the car passed an MOT the day before the serious accident but something is found not to be MOT roadworthy the day after passing it's MOT.

If you’ve declared it (tyres) they’ve understood the risk and accepted it therefore cannot disbar your claim or a claim against you. An MOT does not confirm your car was roadworthy at the time of the accident so has no purpose in helping them assess your claim. The only reason you will have to have a valid mot is because for some vehicles that is a legal requirement and insurance is only valid on a legally operated vehicle.

[Motorsport Micky]

[QUOTE=DJT;n777083]

Exactly the same could be said for a 3-year-old car the day after it’s first MOT. Or even a brand new car the day after it drives off the showroom floor. It sounds to me if you want to abolish MOTs for all cars on that basis......

I think that's extending what I said a little too far...!
All I'm pointing out is that for those of us who prepare and maintain our own cars, if competent forsaking an MOT should hold no fears. The failure of a part in a car in use has always happened, even after a car has been MOTd, when you notice a change in it's performance or characteristic you replace or repair it. There's nothing stopping an owner carrying out a MOT quality check weekly if they so wish, which would then comprehensively exceed the safety imagined by having your car submitted to an annual MOT.

Micky

[Ritchie6]

I'm just watching an episode of Salvage Hunters:Classic Cars and they are in the process of buying a Fiat 500 (motorised roller skate) The car failed its MOT four years ago and one of the presenters used his smartphone to check a database somewhere which listed the MOT faults (didn't know you could do that). They then took it for a test drive with the narrator saying that as the car was now MOT exempt it could be driven on the road. Surely if a car fails its MOT you can't then simply register it as exempt because it will have been declared unroadworthy. Somewhat of a minefield all this legislation and IMHO much better to continue with the normal test but with some leeway on things like emissions because obviously a 40+ year old car will never match the stringent requirements of modern cars.

Richard

[DJT]

Quite agree. It will all end in tears IMO.

You can check any car’s MOT history here: https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk...813.1383293959

[jakesmig]

I've had cars fail an MOT the day before they were presented, only to have them pass without comment the day they were presented. Odd how that happens.
And yes, I know the reason....

[richardthestag]

I do not like MOT exemption but only because there are folk that think they can drive an old shed down to the shops

the driver has always been obliged, regardless of whether the car is MOT exempt or not, to ensure the car is roadworthy whilst in use.

If it is found to not be roadworthy by the rozzers then the driver will be in bother, that's for sure.

From RAC page https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/l...ving-offences/

Usually you’ll be handed a £100 on-the-spot fine, and receive no penalty points.

If the case goes to court, it could result in a fine of up to £1,000.

The punishment will be more severe if the vehicle is found to be unroadworthy by the police.

You can be hit with a fine and points on your licence for each fault discovered – such as an illegal tyre or defective brakes, each of which could land you with a £100 fine and three points per fault.

If your car has four tyres below the 1.6mm legal tread-depth, you face a £400 fine and 12 penalty points (which could result in a driving ban).

This applies to any unroadworthy vehicle – even if it has a valid MOT.